Legal Pot for Everyone! (in the state of Washington)

[Ser Gregor]

And the mental health problems with prolonged recreational use? most people smoke it with tabacco.

... mental... health? What? I'm sorry, but what? There are NO dangers to mental health from smoking pot over a long period of time...

 

[Shiuzu]

 

[Lurker_Mac]

... mental... health? What? I'm sorry, but what? There are NO dangers to mental health from smoking pot over a long period of time...

Thats bullshit sorry

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

And the mental health problems with prolonged recreational use? most people smoke it with tabacco.

You really need to do better research, there is zero problems with prolonged use. There are risks with younger minds (ages ranging from 16 and under) who already are predisposed genetically to schizophrenia in terms of it tipping the balance towards schizophrenia, but that's nothing to do with the average person smoking on a weekly, monthly or daily basis.


Edit: Could you please post your links proving what were saying is bullshit? Otherwise I'm going to write you off as a troll and stop responding to your comments.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Thats bullshit sorry

Show me some peer-reviewed research that states long-term use of Marijuana is linked (not 'may lead to' bullshit, that's political spinning of non-evidence) to mental health problems, because I can't find any, and from personal use (living with life-long smokers my entire life), I'm very much inclined to laugh at such a ridiculous statement.

EDIT: aside from the developing minds bit Sheo pointed out, because that's definitely a danger and a reason why it will never be legal for minors.

 

[Lurker_Mac]

Having seen it first hand i tend to disagree. I'm not saying its dangerous compared to some other substances but the negative effects are life changing.

 

[Viggy]

lolwat? No it isn't. If pot is legalized it'll be cheaper than street. It's so expensive BECAUSE it's illegal. Only in the first world is an ounce $200+. Everywhere else it's much cheaper because it is not expensive to grow and harvest.

The moonshine example is a false one. It's not a simple thing to make quality vodka. However, it is very easy to grow, for example, dank, quality White Widow in your basement, and, if you get the same seeds as a dispensery's supplier (not hard to do), it'll be identical to what you can get in a dispensery.

Fact of the matter is, if pot is legalized, even if it is controlled by the Federal government (being Canada, 'cuss Viggy and I are canucks), it WILL be cheaper then what you get on the streets. If it isn't, guess what? No one is going to go to legal dispenseries.

The **** you smokin' bro?

http://www.rwmmj.com/menu.html

Thats one of the top selling dispensiaries in Colorado. It's non-profit and theres the appropriate taxes and red tape for you, and the prices are waaaay cheaper than street prices here. 30 dollars for an 8th of dank? Try 65-70 here.

Furthermore, pot is way easier to grow than moonshine is to make. If you're just looking to have a steady supply, you just plant a seed, water it, and give it the appropriate amount of sunlight/darkness cycles. Just. Like. Any. Other. Plant. So not only can you get cheap dank strands from the dispensaries in legal states, you can grow from the seeds you get from those dank strains, for around 120 dollar start up cost to run a 4 plant grow operation and produce quality bud.

Sorry Viggers, you know I love you, but you are mistaken on this one mate.

Edit: **** you Nexus. **** you.

Okay, I admit the moonshine thing was a bad example, but,

I think a government that's legalizing RECREATIONAL* marijuana will inevitably want to tax it heavily, just as they do with alcohol and cigarettes. I think those taxes will definitely make it more expensive than buying illegally, because it is so incredibly easy to grow it and sell it at a lower price than the shops can afford to sell it at what with the taxes. Fewer and fewer people will go to these legal shops, as Nexus pointed out, and they will become irrelevant.

The only pot legislation that would have any real meaning, in my opinion, would be legislation that lets anyone and everyone grow their own pot without restriction. That would be a truly free country. But a government will never ever do that, c'est la vie.

*very different from those medical marijuana dispensaries in Colorado and other places, which you need a prescription to shop at.



And... Sheo. Who the monkeytits do you think you're talking to? You don't need to apologize just for disagreeing with me, you silly bastard. I love you. <3

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

XD I've some how never seen this before. Fantastic.

 

[Empress]

the mental effects are identical to alcohol and 99% of the world has worked that issue out even though a few can go overboard. Pot is actually ranked LOWER than alcohol when it comes to it's effects even by the FDA. Most of the horror stories are proven to be mis-information and propaganda left over and clung to from the 40's and 50's and have today been disproved by major medical research ( not just little indi studies) though the scare is still thrown about.m Other cases are isolated and rare and usually triggered by other issues an individual already had.

funny though, that I brew my own beer and make it 200% stronger than what I buy in the store or bar....and it's utterly legal for me to do so, and even on the base chemical levels it's classed way higher in the long term dangers, and narcotic properties than even heavy use of a certain plant.

 

[Viggy]

There are risks with younger minds (ages ranging from 16 and under) who already are predisposed genetically to schizophrenia in terms of it tipping the balance towards schizophrenia

EDIT: aside from the developing minds bit Sheo pointed out, because that's definitely a danger and a reason why it will never be legal for minors.

I started smoking pot when I was 12, am I schizo by default?

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

I started smoking pot when I was 12, am I schizo by default?

Serious answer number 1:
Did I say that smoking pot under the age of sixteen makes you schizo?...

Smartass answer number 1:
No you're just a norse god worshiping bisexual furry. Turned out just fine!

 

[Ser Gregor]

Viggy, don't be so quick to shut down that possibility. It is very plausible that growing a certain number of plants will be legal in the near future. Growing large quantities without a license, however, will not be legal.

Even if we're limited to 2 plants, consider this; one indoor plant of good bud, cared for properly, will consistently pump out roughly 4 ounces every 6-8 weeks. You can even get high-yield strains that'll easily do upwards to 7 ounces.

That, my friend, is a lot of weed.

 

[Viggy]

Serious answer number 1:
Did I say that smoking pot under the age of sixteen makes you schizo?...

Smartass answer number 1:
No you're just a norse god worshiping bisexual furry. Turned out just fine!

Serious counter-answer:
No, but you said some stuff I didn't totally understand that made it sound like it made it more likely, or something.

Smartass counter-answer:
Aren't you all of those things except 'furry'? You're too much like me... :CIsee

Viggy, don't be so quick to shut down that possibility. It is very plausible that growing a certain number of plants will be legal in the near future. Growing large quantities without a license, however, will not be legal.

Even if we're limited to 2 plants, consider this; one indoor plant of good bud, cared for properly, will consistently pump out roughly 4 ounces every 6-8 weeks. You can even get high-yield strains that'll easily do upwards to 7 ounces.

That, my friend, is a lot of weed.

Your optimism warms the cockles of my heart and the heart of my cock. I hope you're right.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Serious counter-answer:
No, but you said some stuff I didn't totally understand that made it sound like it made it more likely, or something.

Smartass counter-answer:
Aren't you all of those things except 'furry'? You're too much like me... :CIsee



Your optimism warms the cockles of my heart and the heart of my cock. I hope you're right.

No, with mental diseases, such as schizophrenia, or compulsive lying, OCD, things like that when they start, there are usually what psychologists call "triggers" that set off the disease. It could be anything, but there have been proven to be common "triggers" for schizophrenia one of the common triggers has been found to be pot smoking at a very early age in your brain development. However that doesn't automatically give one a mental disease anymore than smoking a cigarette will automatically give you cancer.

 

[Ser Gregor]

I live in an optimistic country. Shit goes down everywhere else in the world but Canada remains untouched, it's fantastic.

And Sheo was stating that there is evidence if you were already mentally predisposed to develop schizophrenia, smoking could push you 'over the edge'.

 

[Viggy]

No, with mental diseases, such as schizophrenia, or compulsive lying, OCD, things like that when they start, there are usually what psychologists call "triggers" that set off the disease. It could be anything, but there have been proven to be common "triggers" for schizophrenia one of the common triggers has been found to be pot smoking at a very early age in your brain development. However that doesn't automatically give one a mental disease anymore than smoking a cigarette will automatically give you cancer.

Ah, got it now, thanks man. :3

I don't feel like I'm mentally ill, so I'm going to assume I'm not.

I live in an optimistic country. Shit goes down everywhere else in the world but Canada remains untouched, it's fantastic.

And Sheo was stating that there is evidence if you were already mentally predisposed to develop schizophrenia, smoking could push you 'over the edge'.

I live here too and I'm still a cynical piece of shit... :CStern

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Ah, got it now, thanks man. :3

I don't feel like I'm mentally ill, so I'm going to assume I'm not.



I live here too and I'm still a cynical piece of shit... :CStern

oh if you had schizophrenia I think someone would've noticed. It's not exactly the easiest thing to go about not noticing when you see someone talking to people who don't exist.

 

[Ser Gregor]

I live here too and I'm still a cynical piece of shit... :CStern

Yea but that's cuss you're a bisexual pagan furry.

 

[Shiuzu]

I live in an optimistic country. Shit goes down everywhere else in the world but Canada remains untouched, it's fantastic.

And Sheo was stating that there is evidence if you were already mentally predisposed to develop schizophrenia, smoking could push you 'over the edge'.

woo, optimism high five! :CHappy *raises hand*

 

[Viggy]

oh if you had schizophrenia I think someone would've noticed. It's not exactly the easiest thing to go about not noticing when you see someone talking to people who don't exist.

Heh. True.

Yea but that's cuss you're a bisexual pagan furry.

Actually I've changed my mind, just now. I've decided to be a heterosexual sikh plant-fetishist (as a heterosexual, I will of course only have sex with female plants).