Obama ends don't ask don't tell

[Brandon Rhea]

I think he HAD a plan, people are just too opposed to us keeping them here.

No, he never had a plan. After he signed the executive order, he created a commission, I believe headed by Jar Jar Bi....err, Joe Biden, to put together a plan. So basically, he said "I'm ordering us to close Gitmo, but I have no ****ing idea how. What's my brilliant plan for coming up with a plan? Oh well I'll put Biden in charge! What could possibly go wrong?"

Thing is, it's still odd that in America you're still discussing and changing stuff that we in Europe have had for years and just take for granted.

We had democracy for years while you still had a monarchy. No side gets to say "well we've had this for so long, WTF is your problem?"

 

[Cailst]

We had democracy for years while you still have a monarchy. No side gets to say "well we've had this for so long, WTF is your problem?"

Fixed, I know she doesn't do that much but still.

 

[Storm]

We had democracy for years while you still had a monarchy. No side gets to say "well we've had this for so long, WTF is your problem?"

Presuming, of course, that you see a democracy as better than a monarchy. Of course, I do, however that's not the way most people in Britain, and almost every at the time, did think. Our monarch was also constitutionalised.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Presuming, of course, that you see a democracy as better than a monarchy. Of course, I do, however that's not the way most people in Britain, and almost every at the time, did think. Our monarch was also constitutionalised.

Wait, you see democracy as better than a monarchy? So basically your order of preference is:

1) Communism
2) Democracy
3) Monarchy

How do you go from iron will of a cabal, to iron will of the people, to iron will of one person? Seems like democracy would be last on that list. :p

 

[Storm]

Wait, you see democracy as better than a monarchy? So basically your order of preference is:

1) Communism
2) Democracy
3) Monarchy

How do you go from iron will of a cabal, to iron will of the people, to iron will of one person? Seems like democracy would be last on that list. :p

The fact that said individual's son takes power, then his son, etc. etc. makes that so.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The fact that said individual's son takes power, then his son, etc. etc. makes that so.

Just his son?

You sexist bastard.

 

[Storm]

Just his son?

You sexist bastard.

Hehe, that was the way, back when monarchies held any real power.

 

[Cailst]

Hehe, that was the way, back when monarchies held any real power.

Elizabeth didn't have real power?

 

[Neutrino]

... Anyway, I asked my brother how he, as a man in the military, felt about this. He said he doesn't care at all.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

... Anyway, I asked my brother how he, as a man in the military, felt about this. He said he doesn't care at all.

IMO, it shouldn't matter what the soldiers or the commanders think about it anyway. They shouldn't be entitled to vote to discriminate against people. It's no different than saying blacks can't be in the military because the commanders and soldiers think black soldiers might shoot them. It's just racism, or in the case of "don't ask, don't tell" it's just prejudice. Plain and simple.

 

[Neutrino]

IMO, it shouldn't matter what the soldiers or the commanders think about it anyway. They shouldn't be entitled to vote to discriminate against people. It's no different than saying blacks can't be in the military because the commanders and soldiers think black soldiers might shoot them. It's just racism, or in the case of "don't ask, don't tell" it's just prejudice. Plain and simple.

I didn't mean to imply legislation should be based on such opinions. But I honestly wanted to know what his opinion on the matter was.

 

[Storm]

Elizabeth didn't have real power?

She was a total anomaly.

9/10 the heir to the throne, where possible, would be male.

 

[Viggy]

As has been said, I will believe it when I see it. But the fact that he's making such statements is good news nonetheless.

 

[Empress]

As much as I think it would be a good idea to drop the policy " a bigoted prick is going to be one regulations or not, just as those who don't care don't care.. the don't ask don't tell policy really is a useless piece of paper.. solider feels discriminated against, they file complaint, it's investigated etc etc etc, same thing will happen without it."

The only real problem, is as been mentioned is Obama talks alot of plans...and gets " step one" done, but has yet to fully follow through...This is because he's an idealist.. good to have one, everyone needs someone one who likes to try to do things different, change things up, driven to " try and fix" things...
Problem with being an idealist is they tend to take on too many burdens too soon, and rarely have the patience to mindset to acknowledge that most changes will never be instantaneous, or even take place in their life span. This can lead to not just stress, but alot of frustrations, sometimes abandoning attempts all together, pawning them off on someone else. but in the long run most things never get done.
I think that I,myself am an idealist when I reflect on it, and see very similar patterns in how he's operating, and how I do too * lol *

so we'll see.. this is one thing I do want to see push through....but this ranks wwwwaaaaayyyyyy wwwaaaaayyyyy lower than things like his ideas to " fix" the school system...but I'll save that for another time.

 

[Cailst]

She was a total anomaly.

9/10 the heir to the throne, where possible, would be male.

Though two of her immediate predecessors were female, Lady Jane Grey(though she really only ruled for 9 days) and Mary I. And there were other female rulers of Britain, Anne where in North America, Queen Anne's war came from. I'm pretty sure that it was the War of Spanish Succession back in Europe.

Anyways, Britain did have some female monarchs and rulers in that time which was better than some other nations which had a different succession scheme.

 

[Horizon]

Though two of her immediate predecessors were female, Lady Jane Grey(though she really only ruled for 9 days) and Mary I. And there were other female rulers of Britain, Anne where in North America, Queen Anne's war came from. I'm pretty sure that it was the War of Spanish Succession back in Europe.

Anyways, Britain did have some female monarchs and rulers in that time which was better than some other nations which had a different succession scheme.

Sometimes I think we talk about politics more than anything on this site at times. :CAbove:

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I didn't mean to imply legislation should be based on such opinions.

I didn't mean to imply that you implied that. I'd said what the soldiers want shouldn't matter anyway, as if to say that "even though you didn't say that, blah blah." Sorry if I didn't make that clearer.

 

[Enishi]

I know my opinion is going to garner a couple of stern faces, but I've gotta say it.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy should continue. However, this does not mean that I don't support gays/lesbians in our armed service. I admit the policy is not fair, but there are other factors to considder in this situation; one being homophobia amongst the troops. Whether it be through religion or what others considder morality, expecting tolerance from those who don't "agree" with ones sexual orientation can be an uneasy tight-rope and I'm not just talking about the common soldiers.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I know my opinion is going to garner a couple of stern faces, but I've gotta say it.

The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy should continue. However, this does not mean that I don't support gays/lesbians in our armed service. I admit the policy is not fair, but there are other factors to considder in this situation; one being homophobia amongst the troops. Whether it be through religion or what others considder morality, expecting tolerance from those who don't "agree" with ones sexual orientation can be an uneasy tight-rope and I'm not just talking about the common soldiers.

If one of the reasons is homophobia, that's all the more reason to end the policy. The Supreme Court didn't eventually say "oh, sorry black people, you have to keep riding in the back of the bus because you'll scare the white children in front." No, they said **** your racist bullshit nonsense, black people can sit wherever they damn well please.

So if the soldiers are homophobic, they can suck it up and deal with it. If a soldier acts on his homophobia, then he's in trouble. He should be more concerned with the military justice system screwing him up the ass than he should of gay people.

And consider this. Our military is stretched thin. One of the reasons is because of our stubborn refusal to remove thousands upon thousands of troops from Germany and Japan, where we don't even need to be. When we have a troop shortage, so much so that military recruiters are sticking a gun into the hands of every poor person they can dupe, you don't tell people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their country, a country that barely views them as a human being mind you, "thanks but no thanks, we don't need your kind here." That's just a whole new level of stupidity.

 

[Venom]

Sometimes I think we talk about politics more than anything on this site at times. :CAbove:

No Cailst just talks about stuff, it doesn't count towards what everyone else is talking about.

If one of the reasons is homophobia, that's all the more reason to end the policy. The Supreme Court didn't eventually say "oh, sorry black people, you have to keep riding in the back of the bus because you'll scare the white children in front." No, they said **** your racist bullshit nonsense, black people can sit wherever they damn well please.

So if the soldiers are homophobic, they can suck it up and deal with it. If a soldier acts on his homophobia, then he's in trouble. He should be more concerned with the military justice system screwing him up the ass than he should of gay people.

And consider this. Our military is stretched thin. One of the reasons is because of our stubborn refusal to remove thousands upon thousands of troops from Germany and Japan, where we don't even need to be. When we have a troop shortage, so much so that military recruiters are sticking a gun into the hands of every poor person they can dupe, you don't tell people who are willing to sacrifice their lives for their country, a country that barely views them as a human being mind you, "thanks but no thanks, we don't need your kind here." That's just a whole new level of stupidity.

The whole thing is well written and well thought ouy. GG