OOC for Al'doleem - No Escapees

[vamp]

In your last post, you say Wes is attacking the instant Luy's blade is thigh high level, which means Wes is already pivoted. There was still no clear defense statement of the attack in your previous post.

Obviously, I am just stating my is perspective based on what I read and my conversation with Sangga. If @Sangga wants to chime in, that's cool to. If it comes to it, you can always report the post for an admin ruling.

"As the man charged toward him, the Drast readied himself, and pivoted on his right foot as the swipe up came, likewise slashing his own blade at the Feeorin's upper thighs, in a right-left motion."

The pivot/slash is happening at the same time. He's pivoting right while swiping left.

In addition to that, one small note—Wes is wearing Sith Marauder armor, which features phrik guards on his forearms, which would mean that if Luy did manage to hit him, his hand wound not be cut off

 

[vamp]

I'd be okay with requesting an admin ruling, but I don't really think it's absolutely necessary right now.

 

[Raydo]

I'll let Sangaa decide what he wants to do, but I'll leave this as a last note. An upward strike against the inside of his wrist would stop the attack from Wes. The blade also would easily slide up his arm given the motion of the attack and angle of the arm Wes would have. Which would have the same result, only a few inches further up the arm in my opinion. I'll quit be opinionated for now :p

*unrelated side note*I am def not accusing you of being shifty, but just a note, it can come off as sketchy when someone opens your CS to look at your gear after you make a point to see it had recently edited. I believe you had the armor listed, but its probably for the best that you either list your armor/gear in the first post of the fight or at least don't edit your CS during PvPs

 

[Sangga]

I agree with Raydo, the pivot does not state that you moved away defensively, I took that as a refacing to then commence the attack.

As an attack is declared, and a defense was not my understanding of the ruling for PvP has my attack hit. We cannot argue for timing to be effective to the level you are looking for. My attack was declared a full turn ahead of yours, so it is essentially at a higher initiative in the stack of events. If not actively countered with something that is stated to countering, for example 'Wes pivoted on his right foot, moving him away from Luy's strike' then it'd be all good, this is not done. So it looks more like a refacing to attack. It's all about declared intent not implied.

As for the armour, I know it was there before on the profile. Luy wouldn't know that there was Phryk on it. I follow Raydo's reasoning, especially as it says Phryk backing not gloves of Phryk, would the inside of the wrist be covered? If so, I'd say the best for Wes is the attack is batted away and Luy has pushed past him at full Force augmented Flanking speed, at worse the blade slides along the resisted armour as it is pushed until it finds a point it can slice.

The issue is without a declared measure of defense in your comment, I get an auto hit. It is not up to me to decide what your armour can do in my posts, you use it as defense. So you could've said, 'as Luy's strike went to hit Wes he deflected it with his Phryk gauntlet' ala wonder woman and then went to strike at Luy, I would then know there is no way my attack hits and would have to deal with your attack in my post. I stead of resolving the undefended hit.

I am fine for Admin ruling, this is my thoughts on events.

 

[vamp]

I'll let Sangaa decide what he wants to do, but I'll leave this as a last note. An upward strike against the inside of his wrist would stop the attack from Wes. The blade also would easily slide up his arm given the motion of the attack and angle of the arm Wes would have. Which would have the same result, only a few inches further up the arm in my opinion. I'll quit be opinionated for now :p

*unrelated side note*I am def not accusing you of being shifty, but just a note, it can come off as sketchy when someone opens your CS to look at your gear after you make a point to see it had recently edited. I believe you had the armor listed, but its probably for the best that you either list your armor/gear in the first post of the fight or at least don't edit your CS during PvPs

I recently edited my CS (yesterday, I think) to add a thread tracker. If need be, you can ask an admin to check my recent edits to see, but I definitely didn't touch my inventory.

I agree with Raydo, the pivot does not state that you moved away defensively, I took that as a refacing to then commence the attack.

As an attack is declared, and a defense was not my understanding of the ruling for PvP has my attack hit. We cannot argue for timing to be effective to the level you are looking for. My attack was declared a full turn ahead of yours, so it is essentially at a higher initiative in the stack of events. If not actively countered with something that is stated to countering, for example 'Wes pivoted on his right foot, moving him away from Luy's strike' then it'd be all good, this is not done. So it looks more like a refacing to attack. It's all about declared intent not implied.

As for the armour, I know it was there before on the profile. Luy wouldn't know that there was Phryk on it. I follow Raydo's reasoning, especially as it says Phryk backing not gloves of Phryk, would the inside of the wrist be covered? If so, I'd say the best for Wes is the attack is batted away and Luy has pushed past him at full Force augmented Flanking speed, at worse the blade slides along the resisted armour as it is pushed until it finds a point it can slice.

The issue is without a declared measure of defense in your comment, I get an auto hit. It is not up to me to decide what your armour can do in my posts, you use it as defense. So you could've said, 'as Luy's strike went to hit Wes he deflected it with his Phryk gauntlet' ala wonder woman and then went to strike at Luy, I would then know there is no way my attack hits and would have to deal with your attack in my post. I stead of resolving the undefended hit.

I am fine for Admin ruling, this is my thoughts on events.

I agree that the wording on my post is not ideal and is easy to interpret that there is no defense, so I'm willing to take the auto hit, though I still believe the armor would block it.

Here's my suggestion: Wes takes the hit in his right forearm, the armor blocking it and batting his hand away. Luy is unharmed, and the duel goes on.

Does that sound good?

 

[Sangga]

I'm going to make some edits, with the information given about the gloves. Raydo and I thought that the word 'backing' covers the outer facing of the arm, discussion with techies has it more as a 'lining'. It shouldn't effect the legitimacy of the hit, so we may have more to talk about after my edit shortly.

 

[vamp]

I'm going to make some edits, with the information given about the gloves. Raydo and I thought that the word 'backing' covers the outer facing of the arm, discussion with techies has it more as a 'lining'. It shouldn't effect the legitimacy of the hit, so we may have more to talk about after my edit shortly.

That sounds good. I'm not exactly sure how phrik armor reacts to being hit by lightsabers besides that it blocks (not sure whether it stops the blade or gets batted away) but I think it would be safe to say Wes' arm gets batted away, because if it wasn't that would mean Luy would get his legs cut off

 

[Sangga]

I've posted the changes, I've gone for sliding up the blade as discussed. I'm happy to have this contested here. But this is a crucial moment for this fight and not slicing the arm off will need a far more drastic rewrite.

 

[vamp]

I've posted the changes, I've gone for sliding up the blade as discussed. I'm happy to have this contested here. But this is a crucial moment for this fight and not slicing the arm off will need a far more drastic rewrite.

I agree that it's a crucial moment, though like I said previously there's no need for a very drastic rewrite; rather than sliding the lightsaber up the arm, Luy can bat away Wes' arm. I'll write it in as also knocking him back a few meters if you'd like. My main grievance is that it would be very difficult to slide up the arm considering Wes is driving his blade's into Luy's thigh.

 

[Sangga]

This is circling around our differing views, so I have requested an Admin to review this.

 

[vamp]

This is circling around our differing views, so I have requested an Admin to review this.

No problem

 

[Raydo]

I know we are waiting on ruling for Sangga's post but I went ahead and posted as we were approaching the 48-hour mark.

So to explain my post, Varus is shot once and then leading to the left, when Wes pivots to the right to turn and swing at Luy, he is pivoting to Varus' left and into the blaster shots.

 

[vamp]

I know we are waiting on ruling for Sangga's post but I went ahead and posted as we were approaching the 48-hour mark.

So to explain my post, Varus is shot once and then leading to the left, when Wes pivots to the right to turn and swing at Luy, he is pivoting to Varus' left and into the blaster shots.

Wait, when you said left, you meant Varus' left?

 

[Raydo]

Wait, when you said left, you meant Varus' left?

I think its a fair assumption to have that if it isn't stated explicitly, directions would always be from the character's perspective.

Regardless, I wasn't aware reports stop the timer for posts so have deleted my post until Admin review of the previous post is given.

 

[vamp]

I think its a fair assumption to have that if it isn't stated explicitly, directions would always be from the character's perspective.

Regardless, I wasn't aware reports stop the timer for posts so have deleted my post until Admin review of the previous post is given.

No problem! Was just wondering cause I was thinking since he was shooting at Wes' chest, "to the left" meant to his left.

No worries though, that's just me being rusty at PvP lmao

 

[Kayenta Moenkopi]

to my knowledge, sending a pvp to report stops the clock. you should wait

 

[Kayenta Moenkopi]

did you just use the word assumption? :D

if I may... this is what I had to go through to make a reply....

I read the post....several times cause it's me....you seem to use 2 separate points of referencing there. and until you change up and start using Varus as a point of reference, in my mind i continue to use Wes as the point of reference.... HOWEVER... I had to stop and suss it out myself in order for it to make sense and came up with: one to Wes' chest, 2 to Wes' right, 1 to Wes' left [ though 'at Doz' is used for the last shot rather than a left or right reference at all]....because Doz is behind Wes a bit and would not be on his other side if it were not this way. I don't like having to assume I am making sense of things. As stated, I have a horrible time with left /right reversal, so maybe in the future we can let go of grammar and be super redundant with the directions? I realize that this is my issue and not yours, because if we ASSUME that Varus is the point of reference then all directions follow suit until otherwise stated and reads just fine, but I could use the assist!

The Jedi ran at the Sith charging at Varus, a half second before the Feeorin's attack would the hit the charging Sith's right flank Varus squeezed the trigger four times. The first shot was aimed at the man's chest, and the subsequent two shots would be six inches further to the left. The Fourth shot would be thrown at the Female Sith to keep her occupied for the time being. Even as the trigger was pulled for the fourth time, he was reaching down for the small orb on his belt. He rolled the concussion grenade hard through the shin length grass. It would roll 10 meters and come to rest, concealed by the grass it would be hard to see. He ducked back behind the barrier and started moving along the wall to his right

 

[Kayenta Moenkopi]

and let me ask this too...

why is Varus shooting at Luy?

"a half second before the Feeorin's attack would the hit the charging Sith's right flank Varus squeezed the trigger four times. The first shot was aimed at the man's chest, and the subsequent two shots would be six inches further to the left. " <----Varus' left/ Wes' right...where Luy is charging Wes from....

 

[Raydo]

Your first instance is me describing others' actions so using a different frame of direction makes sense, it also has no bearing on any attack, its just a description of actions happening in front of him.l to provide a timeframe.

When I describe my characters own action, it only makes sense to use my characters reference for direction, unless explicitly started otherwise. To me, this isn't even coming close to be vague.

To touch on the second post, it was my understanding/interpretation that Luy is passing behind Wes and moving toward Doz. Firing to Varus' right would actually be firing at Luy much more so than leading to the left.

*Edit* Shout out to you guys for having easy names.

 

[Kayenta Moenkopi]

I understand that to you it isn't vague. you are not the one with the left/ right reversal issues. It's totally me. I do hope you understand I am discussing my own deficit, not yours.