The Battle of Zigoola OOC

[Green Ranger]

Just a quick update, but just so you're all aware, we've imposed a timelimit on Sisk posting his edits, or at least contact you all so you know what the deal is, in order to keep this going. It's 24 hours from my previous notification (and I contacted him again to notify him of this, both via VMs and Skype), so it's about...21 hours. At that point if there's no word we'll have to move to some sort of ruling on the duel so the rest of the thread can continue and conclude.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

 

[Dmitri]

You know, I understand quite a few people may think it not ideal, but the best course of action I see the Jedi taking would be, honestly, to leave sisk.

You've come on a mission that, I assume, held the purpose of saving Larik Novan from imprisonment. By engaging in this duel between Rook and Sisk, you risk your entire mission, your own lives, and the life of the man you're trying to save. If I'm incorrect, say so, because I'm not going to sift through the mess to find the logic in it all.

Jedi, get the hell outta of Dodge. Jedi are supposed to work for the greater good of all, not for the survival of one over everyone else. This isn't a JRPG, the right answer isn't to risk everything to fight the Dark Lord and save the galaxy. The right answer is to survive, and attempting to risk everything by 'saving' Sisk seems the exact opposite of survival.

Indeed. Sisk ICly and OOCly knew what he was getting into. In a way, letting Sisk remain while you guys escape allows his death to be more meaningful. Sisk sacrifices himself to allow Larik, Lutomi, and Sionann. Same with the Mando NPCs. I'll have Geist deal with them so that the Jedi can escape without having to deal too much with the Dark Lord. In a way it symbolizes the change in the galaxy. Once the Mandalorians were the Jedi's enemies, willing to see them all dead. Now Mandalorians are dying to save the Jedi.

Also, consider time scales. The Sisk-Rookwrr fight has maybe taken about five minutes. The time it probably would have taken to run to the basement, break the bonds, snap the Jedi out of their trip, then drag weakened Jedi back upstairs would take at least more than five minutes.

 

[Wit]

Well, in the end its up to Sisk. He makes some kind of contact otherwise its victory for Clan Rook!!

 

[Sisk_Renelo]

I'm still at work, and I'm not getting off for at least another six hours. I actually have time free tomorrow so I can actually do something

 

[Raif]

Reset the clock!

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm still at work, and I'm not getting off for at least another six hours. I actually have time free tomorrow so I can actually do something

I'm going to make this very clear. If you do not edit your post by the end of the day tomorrow, we are creating an ending for this thread - an ending that will likely result in your character's death. You claim you're so busy at work that you can't post and can barely get in contact with anyone, yet I know for a fact that you were complaining about Boli's time table on Skype earlier today. If you have time to complain, you have time to give more timely updates than this.

This is your last chance. At the end of the day tomorrow, time's up.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Reset the clock!

 

[Green Ranger]

Alright, we gave another 24 hours (and then some) for Sisk to edit, but that's well and truly passed at this stage. Since he's not online, we have to conclude that he won't be able to post, which means it moves to a time-out scenario. At this stage, we can either give Silver a free post, or we can make an admin ruling on the ending. Since they're both effectively going to result in the same conclusion, we've decided to just rule on this so that everyone's clear on the situation, and if there are any issues with it then we'll handle it.

Rook's last attack on Sisk was a finishing move. There's no ifs or buts about this, and it means that with Sisk's turn being a pass, ultimately that means that he is going to die. I know people have thrown around suggestions of the thread result turning into a capture due to something unofficially known as 'The Raif Rule.' To be clear, that isn't a rule, it's a particular, special set of circumstances that we allowed Raif to have due to some pretty serious RL stuff he was dealing with. It's not standard practice for us to allow characters immunity like that due to general inactivity. Our standard rule has, and will continue to be, that a time-out results in the player's turn considered a 'pass', which effectively lets the opponent get a free round. In this latest round of posts, that free round post results in Sisk dying. It's not a pleasant circumstance, but that's ultimately how the rules play out.

There's another ruling that comes into play here as well. Sisk's beskar armor was previously allowed due to existing before we made certain rule adjustments during the timeskip. With Sisk's death, that armor is now going to be archived, as the ruling only applies while Sisk Renelo was using it - it was a special exception that now is being rectified due to the death of Sisk Renelo. If any of you want to use it as armor tech, then it'll have to be re-submitted under current guidelines - alternatively, you can do something like his fractured helmet as purely a plot device without needing approval if you'd like.

So, here's the particulars. Sisk is dead by Rook's hand, while the rest of the Jedi task force to save Lanik are still trying to escape. Geist is still...somewhere, doing stuff and things, but may or may not come out of the shadows to play if the thread continues on. In terms of postying order, the duel half of the thread is considered concluded, so you guys can go back to an informal posting order. If Silver wants to write a finishing post, he's welcome to, but due to the admin ruling it's not necessary if he just wants out of the thread, what with Naboo and stuff happening.

 

[Khivas]

Seems a little harsh there fellas....I don't know about you guys, but sometimes a persons job truly can be one if the most hectic things in their life. While I may not know all the details, simply killing the guy off seems a tad harsh and off putting to newer members.

 

[Wit]

Seems a little harsh there fellas....I don't know about you guys, but sometimes a persons job truly can be one if the most hectic things in their life. While I may not know all the details, simply killing the guy off seems a tad harsh and off putting to newer members.

Some context would be good I guess. Sisk has actually avoided death in previous threads due to inactivity born out of RL reasons. He was let off then, but after a certain point you have to consider if its really coincidence or something else.

 

[Green Ranger]

Sisk has had six days to edit a post. Given the standard timeout for a new post is a week, we've been more than lenient. I understand real life interfering, but ultimately Sisk told us he could post after we had already given him five days, and hasn't. There is a responsibility involved with PvP threads like this, and this thread impacts a lot of other events around it that have been held up by this. Ultimately if you can't meet those responsibilities, then there are repurcussions for that.

Some context would be good I guess. Sisk has actually avoided death in previous threads due to inactivity born out of RL reasons. He was let off then, but after a certain point you have to consider if its really coincidence or something else.

Actually, that wasn't even something we considered when making this ruling.

 

[Khivas]

I can relate, but I looked at that thread and it hasn't even been a full week yet, so unless we're all locked to one thread at a time and a super strict timeline of events for our characters (I actually don't know, this site is a little bit of a mess when it comes to finding things, especially rules), it seems pretty harsh to just off the guy, and also shady since it's around the time of a big event release.

Just saying, doesn't look good, be it the other guy is a flake or not.

 

[Khivas]

Ah, see, a rule that I don't know about because I can't find it here. Actually have a hard time finding a few things, but hey, I digress on that.

Just saying, seems shady to off the dude when capture is an option.

 

[Sierrien]

Ah, see, a rule that I don't know about because I can't find it here. Actually have a hard time finding a few things, but hey, I digress on that.

Just saying, seems shady to off the dude when capture is an option.

He signed up for a thread where death was a possible consequence, so he knew the risks going in. You don't get forced in to death threads; you can make it clear before starting a thread that it is no death, and that will be respected. Assuming that you started the thread, I mean. You can also ask what the rules are - usually, its a matter of if capture/death are possible in the thread, and sometimes maiming as well.

 

[Green Ranger]

Ah, see, a rule that I don't know about because I can't find it here. Actually have a hard time finding a few things, but hey, I digress on that.

Just saying, seems shady to off the dude when capture is an option.

Capture wasn't really an option though. The previous post had Silver putting a metal spike through Sisk's skull. We'd have to do some pretty elaborate handwaving to somehow say that for some reason that attack didn't hit and that Rook (who ICly has a fair bit of history with Sisk's char iirc) would suddenly stop and decide to capture him instead. You do have to factor plausibility into these things as well.

Also, per Sierrien, he knew the risks going in. We don't force threads like this on people.

 

[Khivas]

You misunderstand, I mean site rules. No offense to whoever is in charge of this, but this site's boards are loaded with outdated things and disorganization. Took me forever to figure out which Character Template to use and if you guys had actual mechanics or not, since some apps use scaled numbers and others don't.

Also threw me for a loop as to who is staff and who isn't when I see regular members commenting on profiles.

Messed me up man, messed me up, like I was back in 'Nam kinda messed up =P

 

[Khivas]

And as for the death blow thing, that's more than fair, I'm done on that end lol

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Ah, see, a rule that I don't know about because I can't find it here. Actually have a hard time finding a few things, but hey, I digress on that.

Just saying, seems shady to off the dude when capture is an option.

That is ultimately up to the RPer and how the character would react. It is certainly an option, and how the site ruled the last time Sisk has an absence, but as we said this sin't the first time this has happened with Sisk.

Personally, it isn't a matter of Sisk having a busy job. That should obviously always come before things on this site. I think instead of taking away character choice from other RPers who may feel more inclined to have their characters kill other characters that Sisk himself needs to take an account of time he can commit to the RP.

The site rules are clear, and very generous, you have a week to post. If you can not do that then you have to get used to that your characters may die in important threads.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Seems a little harsh there fellas....I don't know about you guys, but sometimes a persons job truly can be one if the most hectic things in their life. While I may not know all the details, simply killing the guy off seems a tad harsh and off putting to newer members.

I'm still at work, and I'm not getting off for at least another six hours. I actually have time free tomorrow so I can actually do something

Sisk said he was going to post today, and he didn't. In about 2 weeks time, all he's accomplished is one invalid post. The fact of the matter is, this thread has been one long delay because Sisk has not communicated with those in it or the staff. It's not fair to make people continue to wait on him, and we're not going to go through another "Raif Rule" process for Sisk Renelo because of Sisk's inability to post in a timely fashion - no matter the circumstances.