The Sequel Trilogy: Your Ideas?

[Green Ranger]

i realy hope they use a cast of very talented young adults in the movie. not a bunch of rich brats buying their way into the movie. i would probably nominate the frodo bagins actor as one of the charecters, or maby a member of the GoT cast. some one who realy knows what he/she is doing and not some rich preaty boy/girl

Well, now that Lucas isn't at the helm, it's pretty much a sure thing that the cast, script and quality of acting will be better then the Prequels. God love him for creating the franchise, but he's pretty bloody incompetant.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

"Rich kid buying the part" really isn't how Hollywood works anyway.

 

[Unreliable Genius]

Hm, how would Elijah Wood fit in? :p

 

[Sirocco]

oh, i tought that is how it worked half the time lol (unless what i have seen with some movies is actualy the people behind the movies like the last air bender and all that)

 

[Sirocco]

well, turns out i like the lord of the rings movies, and i dont think he is that bad in the show wilfred(i think that is what its called) so he Elijah wood would fit in becouse, well, he is a good actor IMO.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

oh, i tought that is how it worked half the time lol (unless what i have seen with some movies is actualy the people behind the movies like the last air bender and all that)

The Last Airbender was awful because M. Night Shyamalan is a hack.

 

[Sirocco]

true enough.

 

[Kaeb]

Perhaps one of Luke's new students could become a tragic villain?

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Perhaps one of Luke's new students could become a tragic villain?

I was thinking along that line as well. Although the villains of the story would cause the death of Han, there's no direct personal connection between the villain and Luke. Having to contend with a fallen Jedi so early in the existence of the New Jedi Order would give Luke a real struggle. People in the galaxy, maybe even some Jedi, would start to question whether rebuilding the Jedi Order is even worth it if it's just going to lead to yet another dark side threat from within.

So whereas Leia has to fight for the existence of and soul of the New Republic, Luke would likewise have to fight for those same things for the New Jedi Order.

 

[Kaeb]

Perhaps the rookie soldier who Han entrusts with his dying wish, could travel to the New Order with Leia and be entrusted with some sort of task by the two siblings, but he is instructed to take some of the students with him in order to further their training. Perhaps to investigate this new threat?

I'm pulling at straws here trying to make connections, the sequel trilogy still seems pointless to me.

 

[BLADE]

Eh. I'll agree to disagree with you guys. If I were doing a Sequel Trilogy, I'd limit how much of it I'd be consciously modeling off of the OT. Hence I wouldn't want to have a villain with a neat and preexisting emotional connection to Luke or whatever (it just cheapens and dilutes the scale of the universe, IMHO), and would prefer to develop any such connection onscreen. The pupil turned evil trope is also quite hackneyed and trite, so if I had to work it in there, I'd make it more ambiguous as to just what might be expected to happen.

 

[Kaeb]

Eh. I'll agree to disagree with you guys.

You always do.

 

[Kaeb]

Perhaps the rookie soldier who Han entrusts with his dying wish, could travel to the New Order with Leia and be entrusted with some sort of task by the two siblings, but he is instructed to take some of the students with him in order to further their training. Perhaps to investigate this new threat?

I'm pulling at straws here trying to make connections, the sequel trilogy still seems pointless to me.

Just to keep my last post in the loop.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Perhaps the rookie soldier who Han entrusts with his dying wish, could travel to the New Order with Leia and be entrusted with some sort of task by the two siblings, but he is instructed to take some of the students with him in order to further their training. Perhaps to investigate this new threat?

I would send one Jedi student along with the rookie soldier. Probably a female Jedi, likely the daughter of Luke or Leia in order to have a Skywalker be a central, driving hero of the story. Along the way they'd probably meet up with one or two more core protagonists. That puts this younger generation on the main quest as the central heroes, with Luke and Leia playing supporting, yet still important, roles in the grand scheme of the galaxy.

 

[BLADE]

That'd work along your guys' idea. It'd be ironic to place a character defined by duty so closely to the OT's original loveable scoundrel, but life, it just keeps on moving on, I suppose.

I generally don't disagree on how unnecessary a Sequel Trilogy is. If I had to do one, it'd be more of a deconstruction, but not just a deconstruction for its own sake, but rather one that would implicitly recognize that it's impossible to capture the feel of an original piece of art (ICly a time) in just the same way that it was. In-universe, Luke and Leia and Han and our protagonist(s) (I have some ideas: probably not a Skywalker) will never be quite as innocent or as naive as they were during the days of the OT. That is both good and bad. It is bittersweet to grow up, and our ability to come to terms with who and where we are is maybe just as important as who we ultimately end up becoming.

So in that sense, if the OT was about Vader's redemption, then the Sequel of Trilogy would be, in a lot of ways for many of the characters, a coming to terms with what has happened and will happen, a rite of passage, etc. Equanimity.

But your mileage may vary and reasonable people can disagree.

 

[Kaeb]

I'm a little iffy about it, but when you mentioned the female Jedi, I immediately thought of the most obvious plot device, keeping it a secret that she is Luke's daughter until the end of the film, but that would really be ****ing pushing it to be honest.

Keep in mind, some considerable time would have passed between these movies and the last ones, roughly thirty to forty years. Some new threat could have emerged in that time as well.

 

[Matt]

Perhaps the rookie soldier who Han entrusts with his dying wish, could travel to the New Order with Leia and be entrusted with some sort of task by the two siblings, but he is instructed to take some of the students with him in order to further their training. Perhaps to investigate this new threat?

I'm pulling at straws here trying to make connections, the sequel trilogy still seems pointless to me.

The only reason I wouldn't say it's pointless is that the prequels were such a ****ing abortion that star wars needs redeeming.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That'd work along your guys' idea. It'd be ironic to place a character defined by duty so closely to the OT's original loveable scoundrel, but life, it just keeps on moving on, I suppose.

I generally don't disagree on how unnecessary a Sequel Trilogy is. If I had to do one, it'd be more of a deconstruction, but not just a deconstruction for its own sake, but rather one that would implicitly recognize that it's impossible to capture the feel of an original piece of art (ICly a time) in just the same way that it was. In-universe, Luke and Leia and Han and our protagonist(s) (I have some ideas;probably not a Skywalker) will never be quite as innocent or as naive as they were during the days of the OT. That is both good and bad. It is bittersweet to grow up, and our ability to come to terms with who and where we are is maybe just as important as who we ultimately end up becoming.

So in that sense, if the OT was about Vader's redemption, then the Sequel of Trilogy would be, in a lot of ways for many of the characters, a coming to terms with what has happened and will happen, a rite of passage, etc. Equanimity.

But your mileage may vary and reasonable people can disagree.

The idea of deconstruction is where my idea of spinning Endor as a failure comes from. It’s the World War I to World War II analogy of thinking that the first war you thought was a success, only to realize that you actually failed once the next war comes around. I like the idea of a more nuanced Star Wars story as opposed to clearly defined good and clearly defined evil. I like the idea that the black and white view of the originals was also the view of the characters, and that they now have to contend with the fact that reality in a post-revolutionary time is not the same reality of the revolution.

I like to think of it as the American Revolution and its aftermath, but really any revolution. When you’re a genuine freedom fighter and you’re in the midst of rebellion, things are very simple. You’re the good guys, and those opposed to you are the bad guys. It’s freedom fighters vs. tyrants. That’s what the original trilogy was. When a revolution is over, though, and the revolution is successful, creating that new world is so complicated.

So if we have characters like Luke and Leia who still have that revolutionary mindset and suddenly have to confront the fact that Endor was not the success they thought it was, and that maybe they made mistakes in thinking that life was divided into good and evil, you have a compelling story. Add to that the fact that they’re old and you can spin a tale about how they may have outlived their usefulness, and that trying to play Rebels again is futile.

You could liken that to what Chancellor Gorkon said in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. He said to Kirk, “If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.” That spoke about the mindset of those in power who were in power during, or at the very least lived through, the Cold War. It’s very hard to get out of the mindset you were in during the conflict, even if the new world calls for a new mindset.

I think that such a story requires the threat from within. Whether it’s a former disciple of Luke or someone from within the New Republic like a Lex Luthor-type character, that trope is important. I would actually combine the two ideas and have it be a low level Jedi who left the Order fairly early on, isn’t well trained but understands certain facets of Jedi training, and went on to become powerful within society. He's brilliant and diabolical but his minor Force abilities, little manipulative abilities here and there, helped him to worm his way into the higher tiers of society. It would also give him an in with these Sith shadow assassins we’ve talked about. He would understand the dark side in its most basic forms and he would understand who the Sith were, so he could manipulate them into carrying out total destruction. Their goal would be to kill everybody. This other villain's goal, though, could be to use that and foster that into creating a society of his making. That makes the Sith secondary, yet important, villains while having a new kind of character be the central antagonist.

At this point, I feel compelled to write this story. At the very least, I think I'm giving myself yet another Alternative Saga trilogy. =/

 

[Kaeb]

The only reason I wouldn't say it's pointless is that the prequels were such a ****ing abortion that star wars needs redeeming.

That's the whole reason I've started the Alternates mate.

 

[BLADE]

I wouldn't. It'd be muddling things to make my proposed character have powers. There'd be an element of envy and hypocrisy there, but the character is supposed to be an unknown (there's always been a certain aristocratic element to the way that the Star Wars story is structured, and the character is supposed to be basically a nobody who rose to the top.) Or rather a former rebel soldier who rose to the top. He/she did so on the basis of intellect, both intuitive (manipulating others) and also by their technical know-how (their engineering skills helped to reestablish food routes or something like that.)

The way he or she would manipulate the Sith is both by his understanding of resentment and power.

"When I was a rebel and I saw the Jedi doing amazing things with the Force, I thought that here was a power unlike any other. And you know what? I was wrong. I could order my men to wipe out an entire planet tomorrow. And you could kill me with a thought if you wanted. But you won't. Because we both know the truth. And the truth is that power is power."

My protagonist would have elements of what you suggested. A force user who became part of the Freedmen only to have second thoughts after the initial horrifying terrorist attack which is the setpiece/opening of the first film. The story is about his/her journey towards understanding, atonement, and finding a place in this new world, complete with a cast of deuteragonists, etc. The Skywalkers play a supporting role. I'd probably have their children as reifications of how out-of-touch they supposedly are: Leia's kid challenges her for leadership within the New Republic (that would be the character whom my Lex Luthor dude/ette manipulates.)

And so forth. There are common elements in our visions, but ultimately we just come at this from different ways. Live and let live, I guess.