Cortosis/Phrik

[Toska]

Well. I finally got around to reading a little about these after role-playing Star Wars for what? Going on six years? lol

With that said, aren't these supposed to be rather rare? Unless I missed something, only a few deposits were discovered/mined, and these have existed for over ten thousand years. Considering how quickly they're consumed (especially in the case of cortosis), why are they still widely used in the construction of armor/weaponry? At least, that's the impression I get from the tech board, where everyone and their grandmother has a set of cortosis/phrik armor.

 

[Kiro]

They are supposed to be very rare, yes. As for why everyone uses it, is because everyone and their grandmother wants to be immune to lightsabers and one-up one another.

(Before people accuse me of doing the same, yes, I had a suit of Beskar armour, which I got rid of... before I got rid of the character.)

 

[Toska]

I must say, you sound fun to write with in a purist sort of way. Why haven't we ever done that?

As for cortosis/phrik, I'd prefer tighter regulations on it, but if the current volume can be adequately explained, I'd go for that too.

 

[Cassanova]

Honestly its a hard case to do, Tosk.

On one hand, there needs to be the element of realism, where Lightsabers mess up nearly everything, and any materials that can counter it are hopelessly rare, leaving the galaxy at the whims of a lightsaber without any doubt.

On the other, this is SWRP a community where fairness is heavily encouraged. To counter the lightsabers ability, lightsaber-resistant armour is available.

We have to embrace ambiguity and the blurry details here.

What i'd like to see is an outright ban on anyone possessing a lightsaber who also possesses lightsaber resistant armour.

One or the other.

 

[Toska]

Honestly its a hard case to do, Tosk.

On one hand, there needs to be the element of realism, where Lightsabers mess up nearly everything, and any materials that can counter it are hopelessly rare, leaving the galaxy at the whims of a lightsaber without any doubt.

On the other, this is SWRP a community where fairness is heavily encouraged. To counter the lightsabers ability, lightsaber-resistant armour is available.

We have to embrace ambiguity and the blurry details here.

What i'd like to see is an outright ban on anyone possessing a lightsaber who also possesses lightsaber resistant armour.

One or the other.

Couldn't agree more with the bolded section. Although, to be fair, the Force itself gives users a huge advantage against non-Force sensitives. Some powers have a resistance clause, but others just don't. A Force adept can use telekinesis to lift a person by the clothes/armor and immobilize them. They can manipulate the environment, redirect almost all attacks, and have several strictly offensive powers that tear through anyone unprepared. A lightsaber might be lethal in close quarters, but the Force is a far greater advantage.

The problem with allowing lightsaber resistant armors to run rampant is that those materials are also resistant to pretty much every other form of attack. In a battle between two non-Force sensitives, and all variables save armor composition being equal, the one with the stronger armor will have an advantage. I noticed it back when Mars, Den, and I were role-playing with our juggernauts; Beskar and prhik are utterly ridiculous. Against anyone but a Jedi, they are nigh unstoppable without very specific preparations.

 

[Xan]

Here at SWRP, we take our one-upping very seriously, Toska. It is a valued part of the community, you see, and gives us something to do. After all, without the need to one-up each other, where would we be in life? :GL

 

[Nor'baal]

One upping also causes resentment and division between players.

Here on SWRP we encourage good stories, not one upping......


Even though I one upped Xan right there, but we don't speak of this :P

 

[Empress]

with the rre oars and such also a full suit is not allowed, weapon blades, or pieces of the armour like a breastplate is good, but not a whole thing. and force users should not be having over the top power armour/ super oar armour or any of that- they already have the force and just run of the mill armour can do more than enough for them- give a good power suit with saber resistant metals? you have a one man munchkin army. yeah they will be prone to force abilities and physics still, but there is a line

 

[Toska]

with the rre oars and such also a full suit is not allowed, weapon blades, or pieces of the armour like a breastplate is good, but not a whole thing. and force users should not be having over the top power armour/ super oar armour or any of that- they already have the force and just run of the mill armour can do more than enough for them- give a good power suit with saber resistant metals? you have a one man munchkin army. yeah they will be prone to force abilities and physics still, but there is a line

Does armor limit use of the Force at all? It did in the video games, but I'm not sure if that was just a game mechanic or an expressly understood limitation.

 

[Empress]

IIRC it does Jiang or boli would have the exact on that as Im not the techy type to a great extent, Im more on the lore/philosophy/force ability sorta level

 

[Darkwasp]

My take on this issue is as such: If there is a plausible back story of how it was acquired, I don't really care. The way I see SWRP is that every character on this site (in this timeline) is a HEROIC character. Just in their creation, they are better than the average person of their occupation. 25,000 characters (rounded up) in the WHOLE galaxy having Phrik, Cortosis, or Beskar isn't really a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

There seems to be a whole lot of "NO MINE, I want to be the specialist person in the galaxy". Where I see every character on this board is just as important (no more, no less) as mine.

 

[Toska]

My take on this issue is as such: If there is a plausible back story of how it was acquired, I don't really care. The way I see SWRP is that every character on this site (in this timeline) is a HEROIC character. Just in their creation, they are better than the average person of their occupation. 25,000 characters (rounded up) in the WHOLE galaxy having Phrik, Cortosis, or Beskar isn't really a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

There seems to be a whole lot of "NO MINE, I want to be the specialist person in the galaxy". Where I see every character on this board is just as important (no more, no less) as mine.

It's not a matter of a character being special, in my opinion; these are rare, precious ores, found in a very exclusive amount, known and circulated through the galaxy for over ten thousand years. Heroes don't need diamond armor to slay dragons since, regardless of the armor's strength, the dragon is still stronger. A lightsaber will still cut through those metals, so why do twenty-five thousand people need to be armed with it?

The subtext there is that a set of diamond armor is impractically expensive, as should beskar/phrik/cortosis.

 

[The Kyzer]

My take on this issue is as such: If there is a plausible back story of how it was acquired, I don't really care. The way I see SWRP is that every character on this site (in this timeline) is a HEROIC character. Just in their creation, they are better than the average person of their occupation. 25,000 characters (rounded up) in the WHOLE galaxy having Phrik, Cortosis, or Beskar isn't really a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

^^This.

I do agree with Cassa that there should be a One or the Other rule regarding Lightsabers and Lightsaber-Resistant Armor. That said, I think the only Force-Users with LS-resistant armor are Council Members and Darths, unless I've missed one somewhere. This is mainly due to Kiro coming in and stomping on all of the wannabe munchkins, which I have great respect for her doing so.

And armor simply makes it more difficult to use the Force (in Canon) because it puts something between your character and the Force, which by that reasoning, the most powerful Force-Users should run around naked...;) Trying to find the KOTOR article about that now. While that doesn't quite make sense in canon, it does make for a more balanced game-experience, which is easily transferred over to here.

 

[Xan]

So, the most powerful beings in Star Wars RP would be the Dark Lord and Jedi Grandmaster running about without any form of clothing on? *shudders*

 

[Rom]

I've always found the Force + Armor = bad mojo to be a game mechanic and nothing more, seeing as plenty of Jedi and Sith throughout history have worn armor ranging from cloth to plate armor without a difference in power. Its style and preference imho

 

[Denzein]

So, the most powerful beings in Star Wars RP would be the Dark Lord and Jedi Grandmaster running about without any form of clothing on? *shudders*

Hey, there's a reason Lecchamemnon refuses to wash his robes. Locks in the Force.

 

[The Kyzer]

So, the most powerful beings in Star Wars RP would be the Dark Lord and Jedi Grandmaster running about without any form of clothing on? *shudders*

Ya see, you posted this, then Rom posted right after you.

Now the image of naked Vereor has been burned into my mind...thanks...

 

[Saul Perth]

I fully support restricting Jedi characters. Even at the Padawan level, the Force is such a huge advantage when you couple it with the capabilities of a lightsaber. Giving out Phrik or Cortosis armor is a bit of a stretch canon wise, but there is another option.

We've already invented a whole timeline, why not invent a new alloy, or type of personal shielding, resistant to ONLY lightsabers? This tech would create some form of disturbance, preventing the wearer from using the force in ANY way, even the passive heightened reaction speed.

In addition to this, I think armor should have a KOTOR style force lockout. If you want to sling lightning or throw people around like rag dolls, you're going to have to do it in a dress.

 

[Toska]

^^This.

I do agree with Cassa that there should be a One or the Other rule regarding Lightsabers and Lightsaber-Resistant Armor. That said, I think the only Force-Users with LS-resistant armor are Council Members and Darths, unless I've missed one somewhere. This is mainly due to Kiro coming in and stomping on all of the wannabe munchkins, which I have great respect for her doing so.

And armor simply makes it more difficult to use the Force (in Canon) because it puts something between your character and the Force, which by that reasoning, the most powerful Force-Users should run around naked...;) Trying to find the KOTOR article about that now. While that doesn't quite make sense in canon, it does make for a more balanced game-experience, which is easily transferred over to here.

I extrapolated on my thought process to the first point above.

Otherwise, well. Exactly why would armor disrupt one's ability to manipulate the Force? There are a few contradicting sources, some of which say that using the Force is an internal process (relying on 'energy' existing within the user) while others claim that it's an external process (the user manipulates 'energy' around them).

 

[Xan]

Ya see, you posted this, then Rom posted right after you.

Now the image of naked Vereor has been burned into my mind...thanks...

Sorry, the Dark Side told me to do it. :CSly