Cortosis/Phrik

[The Kyzer]

Otherwise, well. Exactly why would armor disrupt one's ability to manipulate the Force? There are a few contradicting sources, some of which say that using the Force is an internal process (relying on 'energy' existing within the user) while others claim that it's an external process (the user manipulates 'energy' around them).

I honestly have NO freakin' idea. It doesn't make sense entirely, and regularly pisses me off when I play KOTOR. I could see how some powers might be restricted, like Force Lightning, as they might burn a hole in your armor or something, but wouldn't decent control of the Force allow you to bypass that?

And as to the whole internal vs. external, I would think that since "The Force is IN everything," it wouldn't matter for squat.

It's aggravating and tiresome, but it makes for balanced gaming/RPing.

 

[Toska]

I honestly have NO freakin' idea. It doesn't make sense entirely, and regularly pisses me off when I play KOTOR. I could see how some powers might be restricted, like Force Lightning, as they might burn a hole in your armor or something, but wouldn't decent control of the Force allow you to bypass that?

And as to the whole internal vs. external, I would think that since "The Force is IN everything," it wouldn't matter for squat.

It's aggravating and tiresome, but it makes for balanced gaming/RPing.

Now Den's going to kill me in my sleep for bringing this up, but we were discussing a similar topic a while back: Does using a particular power grant you immunity from its effects? Specifically, if you use Force Destruction, and your opponent uses telekinesis to throw you into your own rolling ball of utter annihilation, will you be immune to its effects, or will you vanish in a puff of smoke like everything else?

 

[Xan]

I guess that if you get hit with your own ability, you would take full damage unless you could somehow 'turn it off.' Other than that, just because it was your blast doesn't mean that it will just wash right over you. Didn't Sidious get hit with his own Lightning before?

 

[The Kyzer]

I guess that if you get hit with your own ability, you would take full damage unless you could somehow 'turn it off.' Other than that, just because it was your blast doesn't mean that it will just wash right over you. Didn't Sidious get hit with his own Lightning before?

He got TORCH'D by his own lightning before. Mace Windu-style.

I would say that unless you could re-absorb the energy safely, yeah...you're going to take full damage. Light Side attacks would be easier to do this with, as they'll just hug their reflected ability. The Dark Side attacks kind-of hate everything in existence, so they're gonna hurt.

 

[Toska]

I would say that unless you could re-absorb the energy safely, yeah...you're going to take full damage. Light Side attacks would be easier to do this with, as they'll just hug their reflected ability. The Dark Side attacks kind-of hate everything in existence, so they're gonna hurt.

He did have a compelling argument for his case, though. Assuming internal energy, a power like Force Destruction should also destroy the extremity from which it's fired, either a) before the release assuming the power is fully 'charged' internally, or b) after release due to the secondary effect of the power.

Edit: This is getting off topic, so let's continue this conversation at this extension. I've made too many of these threads recently to enjoy the idea of starting another.

 

[Empress]

skhai would wear nothing if she could get away with it...thats partly a phobia more than anything, so when she is wearing robes they are like her profile " not the lauranna one" show and very short and very loose and refuses shoes if she does not have to, she has her " father" 's armour she wears once and a while but its nothing special and still really is more to cover her chest and padded to help shock absorbing and a sound bubble choker so she can deal with concussion and sonic weapons on par with a normal person -.-

 

[BLADE]

It's actually pretty hard to believe that in the grand scheme of things a variety of relatively cheap and effective lightsaber-resistant materials haven't been developed. Jedi and Sith have been out there with their glowy swords for a while. I also don't mind fully lightsaber resistant armor/sword combinations. All that means it that it takes more hits and different types of hits to land in a battle. Think about it like this. Did the broadsword become obsolete with the advent of mail? No. Because it could still take apart many other different kinds of armors, and because it was still effective against plate mail/maille via half-swording, thrusting blows, stabs, etc.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about armor that could resist grenades or high-power blaster rifles than anything else.

Think about it. Blasters are actually better weapons, statistically speaking, than lightsabers. Armor that protects against blasters is actually better, all things being equal, than armor that protects against lightsabers.

As far as what I could envision? Armor that should be reasonably effective against the former at distance and more or less fully protective against the latter at close-range (though joints can't be fully protected, stabbing strikes are likely to find gaps, etc.

In essence, people are making too much of a big deal out of this. It still comes down to what the writers in the story agree to do, their relative skills, the profile of the characters, etc.

It may be reasonable, grant you, to prohibit such protective armor for a more practical reason (to simplify PVP), but there's no real imbalance issues here.

 

[Colt556]

You could just ban these lightsaber resistant metals entirely, citing them being mined out. People always neglected personal shields. They stop lightsabers outright, nothing's getting through until your shield is down. And since this is over a thousand years since the GCW era (where personal shields were pretty easy to make), high grade shields should be relatively accessible. Just strap a shield generator to your belt and you've got the same situation as if you were donned in full mandalorian armor against a lightsaber. Prolonged contact will still eat through, but it's enough to tank some strikes. Also has the added bonus of preventing the odd blaster bolt from killing you.

 

[Kiro]

You could just ban these lightsaber resistant metals entirely, citing them being mined out. People always neglected personal shields. They stop lightsabers outright, nothing's getting through until your shield is down. And since this is over a thousand years since the GCW era (where personal shields were pretty easy to make), high grade shields should be relatively accessible. Just strap a shield generator to your belt and you've got the same situation as if you were donned in full mandalorian armor against a lightsaber. Prolonged contact will still eat through, but it's enough to tank some strikes. Also has the added bonus of preventing the odd blaster bolt from killing you.

Except personal shield generators are a no-no. It's been stated several times on this site, in various threads. The ones used in the KOTOR era are useless against modern blasters (and I'd assume lightsabers as well), and the technology behind making such items was all but forgotten by the advent of the GCW, as per Wookieepedia. Yes, Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr had ones, but they were big, bulky, belt versions, rather than the tiny arm-band ones of the KOTOR era, and were nowhere near as effective as the KOTOR ones.

Wookieepedia even goes as far as to state that using modern shield generators (GWC/Early Legacy eras) would cause massive radiation damage, impotency, etc.

By the time of the Battle of Naboo, personal shields that covered an entire being existed, but produced radiation and magnetic fields that were dangerous for sustained use. The Gungan Grand Army of Naboo employed hand-held personal energy shields that projected a thin force field around one and a half meters tall. The commando droids which protected the Separatists' vital facilities such as the Citadel were also equipped with hand-held personal shields similar to Gungan's. The droideka units of the Trade Federation also carried personal energy shields, making them highly effective against clone troopers and Jedi Knights. However, these shields were hazardous to organic lifeforms, generating highly-intense electromagnetic fields and large amounts of radiation.

And...

The Chiss used personal shields with reverse polarity to protect homes against robbers, with the criminals often incinerating themselves. However, this practice was discontinued several decades prior to 27 BBY due to the dangers of both the radiation and of catching innocent bystanders.

During the Galactic Civil War through the Yuuzhan Vong War, however, personal shield tech was all but lost. Very few armies equipped their soldiers with personal shielding, due to the craft being lost (or simply outdated) for many years. The technology was by then very expensive and mostly limited to extraordinary individuals, such as the mercenary/Jedi Kyle Katarn and his student Jaden Korr, Imperial General Bentilais san Sk'ar, and a Ben Kenobi-impersonating Imperial agent.

So by this stage, personal energy shields should certainly be banned, if you wanna follow canon.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

skhai would wear nothing if she could get away with it...thats partly a phobia more than anything, so when she is wearing robes they are like her profile " not the lauranna one" show and very short and very loose and refuses shoes if she does not have to, she has her " father" 's armour she wears once and a while but its nothing special and still really is more to cover her chest and padded to help shock absorbing and a sound bubble choker so she can deal with concussion and sonic weapons on par with a normal person -.-

I'm pretty sure she could get away with it. :nods:

 

[Colt556]

Except personal shield generators are a no-no. It's been stated several times on this site, in various threads. The ones used in the KOTOR era are useless against modern blasters (and I'd assume lightsabers as well), and the technology behind making such items was all but forgotten by the advent of the GCW, as per Wookieepedia. Yes, Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr had ones, but they were big, bulky, belt versions, rather than the tiny arm-band ones of the KOTOR era, and were nowhere near as effective as the KOTOR ones.

Wookieepedia even goes as far as to state that using modern shield generators (GWC/Early Legacy eras) would cause massive radiation damage, impotency, etc.



And...



So by this stage, personal energy shields should certainly be banned, if you wanna follow canon.

Canon is so inconsistent since even stormtroopers ran around with personal shields, granted those ones couldn't take on a lightsaber, but even so. Could easily handwave it so that they made a resurgence, since they were fairly common in many periods in galactic history. Easier to go "hey, everyone's using shields again" than "hey, everyone's using this super rare metal that has finite quantities". You can make infinite amounts of shield generators, can't really make new ore deposits.

 

[Kiro]

Show me where these stormtroopers ran around with personal shields? Because as Wookieepedia stated, they were extremely rare and expensive during the GCW era. And never has a personal energy shield (expensive as all kriff to make), been issued to regular troopers. Not even in the KOTOR era were personal shields given to regular grunts. Elite teams and commandos, sure. But regular mooks? No.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Except you can. If I wanted to right now I could go write up a planet that was found to be super rich with ore. It's the same principle, if you can fudge one you can fudge the other.

 

[Dóiteán]

Stormtroopers having shields? Where does it state that? In everything I've seen, stormtroopers were expendable iirc.

 

[Colt556]

Show me where these stormtroopers ran around with personal shields? Because as Wookieepedia stated, they were extremely rare and expensive during the GCW era. And never has a personal energy shield (expensive as all kriff to make), been issued to regular troopers. Not even in the KOTOR era were personal shields given to regular grunts. Elite teams and commandos, sure. But regular mooks? No.

The wiki article for stormtrooper armor.

Most stormtrooper armor was integrated with standard personal ray-shield projectors (in direct contrast of clone troopers) in order to survive open blaster fire in case cover was nonexistent or limited. It also improved hand-to-hand combat, making standard troopers capable of surviving contact with vibroblades (although did not provide any protection towards lightsabers). Nevertheless, the power consumption of shield projectors was very high and they tended to overheat and fail under sustained blaster fire or under prolonged contact with a lightsaber and unless the trooper carried a power generator (which were very bulky) the shield projector could take several minutes until it could be reactivated once it failed. These factors made personal trooper shields very rarely seen on prolonged engagements and/or where terrain had a certain degree of surrounding cover. Also lack of experience from novice cadets towards blaster and lightsaber firepower made the shield projector an underestimated and underused piece of equipment.

Not very useful against lightsabers, but useful against other things.

Except you can. If I wanted to right now I could go write up a planet that was found to be super rich with ore. It's the same principle, if you can fudge one you can fudge the other.

One requires you to make something new, the other has you following canon and not really changing/adding anything. Individuals used personal shields all throughout galactic history. Even when they fell out of favor you still would see them used.

 

[Dóiteán]

These factors made personal trooper shields very rarely seen on prolonged engagements and/or where terrain had a certain degree of surrounding cover. Also lack of experience from novice cadets towards blaster and lightsaber firepower made the shield projector an underestimated and underused piece of equipment.

Since most engagements were prolonged, they were rarely used.

 

[Colt556]

Since most engagements were prolonged, they were rarely used.

Yes and? They still had them, still used them. But why use a shield in a prolonged engagement when you're hunkered down behind a rock?

 

[Dóiteán]

There's no point in arguing. The admins have made their decision on personal shields.

 

[Colt556]

There's no point in arguing. The admins have made their decision on personal shields.

Where? Because the only thing I've seen about personal shields is in the tech forums and there it merely states "don't use them to be a tank", which is fair.

 

[Green Ranger]

There's no point in arguing. The admins have made their decision on personal shields.

This exactly. You're arguing something that we won't be, and do not intend to change.