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Okay well I can see now I have a very different thought process than most people. Also let me say that in no way do any of you offend me, so please do not think I am mad at you. I respect all of your opinions, but in turn, respect mine. So since I was personally called out by many different people let me speak to you all in turn.
Starting with @Marf
I sincerely did not mean to offend you, or anyone for that matter, but I am not scared to voice my opinions, even if they do seem offensive. Now I can pretty confidently say, after reading your post, we are two completely different people. Which I hope you can forgive me and after this we can still be "friends" so to speak.
Marf, my age is just a numeric value. I have been an "adult" for a long time. Disregarding everything I say SK ply because I'm younger than you does not seem fair.
After all of that, and this may sound cruel, but no I don't give a damn. Tell me do you think those people care for me or you? No. Now if you want me to get really nitpicky why is it only FGM? I'm sure males get their dicks cut off all the time, but no one wants to start a whole movement about that. Young boys are raped and sent into sexual slavery as well and yet somehow little girls are more important. Somehow it is the women you pity, and yet not a single mention of the men, the boys.
Not fair.
But then again none of this affects me, so again, I don't give a damn. And no matter how hard you try Marf, or anyone else try's, this will all still happen. Its sucks and it's wrong but if you can't change it and I can't change it, why try?
It's not my fight.
Are you serious? If a man sends a dick pic to a woman this is somehow viewing her as an object? Okay, fair enough. But if a woman sends a picture of her vagina or tits to a man, then under the same logic, the woman is demeaning the man. But somehow this does not count because of the "all men want is sex" stereotype that many women say and believe. Is this not true? Women discriminate against men by labeling them "sex robots" and yet do you see men bitching about that?
I mean hell I can't approach a woman without her immediate thought being "this dude wants to fuck me"
Now as far as this "insidious subtle discrimination" ya, that's a bit of a stretch. I don't see it as such a MASSIVE problem as you and some other members would like to frame it as. To me it seems like you're using big words to make a problem out of nothing.
Well, let me first say that I can relate to much of this.
But after all that, how does this equate to "women need equal rights to men." To me all of the above seems like individuals bullying you, not every single man. So because you are bullied, and your friends are abused, and your sister picked on, somehow you think that women don't have equal rights to men? To me this seems more like these people were hurt by other people, not men in general.
@Noirceur
Trust me, you didn't make me cry. And I can respect what you say, but nonetheless, I disagree.
First off, source. Second, how in the hell is this "Mans fault"??? Have you ever thought that maybe women don't work as much. Most women I know are stay at home moms, they take care of the family and the house while the man is away working. And there is nothing wrong with that.
But maybe you would completely disagree with me. You'd probably say that I'm sexist for saying that. "WOMEN AREN'T HOUSE WIVES THEIR EQUAL TO MEN! WHY CAN'T THEY HABE JOBS!" You'd scream at me. Which is stupid. There is absolutely no shame in staying home and caring for a family, a woman isn't "submissive" to their man if they choose to do so. It is actually a societal norm for the man to bust his ass off and provide for the family while the women take cars of the family.
So maybe that's why they are not working. To me that's a better answer then "men are suppressing women and won't employ them!"
So I'll fire right back at you and say maybe you should think again.
Let me explain. While I do admit that this shit is bad, I'm not going to lie to you. After all of this bad shit I still wake up in the morning and I'm fine. My family and friends are fine, so I am fine. This is a view and a thought process that is VERY common. Tell me do you spend every waking minute worried about China? Or Korea? Or Iraq and Iran?
No. You lay your head down at night and sleep wonder fully. Hell here in about a month you'll forget about this while damn conversation. Why? It's simple, no body gives a shit.
We have one day a year for international women's day. One day a year for veterans day. One day a year.
No one cares, so why the hell should I?
I honestly don't know whether to laugh at this or to scream at you.
The word Bitching is not sexist. I said a slang word, I didn't discriminate against women by saying it. But hell, you can spin that fairy tale whichever way you like. ;)
Now as for the Rape scenario you used. Dude, that's not even fair. Like are you serious? To me if a "boss" rapes a coworker that makes me think that the "boss" is a no good piece of shit. How in any way does this mean all men all over the world are hating on women? We have a sick individual who is raping a women.
And I do not believe for one minute that this happens as often as you'd like me to believe. To me it seems like you are using a scare tactic. But hey I am sure this happens, just not often.
Lol, again you seem to think just because one person is sexist all women in general are discriminated against. Which to me does not seem fair.
Allow me to explain. I used the word must to show that it was equal. I didn't mean for it to sound discriminating. So with that cleared up let me say this. I have five foster sisters and each one plays a sport. And not a single one is told "girls suck at sports." Again this may happen, but this is bullying.
Ya, I don't give a damn what happens all over the world, I explained that earlier. And my offical answer is NO I do not think international woman's day is needed.
And these statistics you so happen to have all the time, why don't you share your source? Prove to me your not pulling this shit out of your ass.
And again you are making the same mistake. Somehow just because there are more men in political office this means women are discriminated against? How in anyway is that fair? Women can run for office. Women can vote. This is fair. This is equal.
I rest my case on this subject, simply because you are in the wrong on this one.
First off, enlighten me with your sources and statistics. :)
Secondly if I was a women and I found out Joe made more money than me. We both had the same exact job. Did the same exact thing. But Joe made more money than me. I would talk to my employer about that.
I think that beats saying "men are discriminating against me!" But then again somehow, for reasons I do not know, this doesn't happen. Try that solution before you jump to conclusions there. It should work.
No.
A woman does not belong on a battlefield. Call me sexist for saying so, call me what you like, I don't give a damn. Now please don't think I am saying a women does not belong in the military, by all means women serve your country. But I do not think and will never think that a women belongs in a combat role. I am enlisting in the United States Marine Corps, and I wouldn't like it. I could lay out the facts or my opinions on the matter but I'm just going to sum it up by saying: No.
But if that gets some more heat I will explain my thought process further.
@Kiro
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EDIT: I accidently posted this but I still need to finish.
@Kiro
I can relate I have five foster sisters and one of them is a Bisexual female. She used to get picked on at school all the time by the same group of people. Both boys and girls, until I beat the shit out of one of the punks who ran his mouth to much.
Just my two cents on that.
and another EDIT:
@BLADE
I couldn't help myself so I'll take a whack at your question.
"The root causes of sexism."
Well if I where a betting man I'd simply say this. Early on in human history, such as ancient times (Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and the such) men and woman had different roles in a society.
Mainly men ran things, military, government and stuff like that. Where as women almost just drifted by, basically second to a man.
Why? I think it may have been because men were superior and valued more in an ancient society. Men fought all the wars, men controlled the government. I mean hell, almost every ancient leader was a man.
I don't know why though. I can't answer the why.....
Maybe it was because men grew to view women as inferior to them. A womans only use was to have children. Hell here is a quote by the famous Napoleon Bonaparte "Women are nothing but machines for making children." This is the mindset of a brilliant man, something he said.
So ya, maybe men simply grew to look down on women over time. They weren't viewed as equals simply because society's have more uses for a man.
Starting with @Marf
I sincerely did not mean to offend you, or anyone for that matter, but I am not scared to voice my opinions, even if they do seem offensive. Now I can pretty confidently say, after reading your post, we are two completely different people. Which I hope you can forgive me and after this we can still be "friends" so to speak.
You are 18, you are barely an adult. When I was that age I didn't regard myself as a feminist, because I hadn't noticed the need for it. I sincerely hope that as you mature, so will your thinking and that you will do the same.
Marf, my age is just a numeric value. I have been an "adult" for a long time. Disregarding everything I say SK ply because I'm younger than you does not seem fair.
You don't "give a damn"? Ok.
That was a pretty atrocious and insensitive comment considering the abhorrent (that's a kind word for it) acts against women in developing countries. It was dismissive and cruel, as though the issues outside of 'MURICA, issues we need to be outraged about, don't exist. Female genital mutilation (FGM), war rape and other forms of extreme sexual violence against women, young girls and toddlers, sexual slavery/trafficking, underage marriage, systematic torture and abuse etc. occurs every hour. Educate yourself before making such remarks. Pick up a book like Waris Dire's Desert Flower.
After all of that, and this may sound cruel, but no I don't give a damn. Tell me do you think those people care for me or you? No. Now if you want me to get really nitpicky why is it only FGM? I'm sure males get their dicks cut off all the time, but no one wants to start a whole movement about that. Young boys are raped and sent into sexual slavery as well and yet somehow little girls are more important. Somehow it is the women you pity, and yet not a single mention of the men, the boys.
Not fair.
But then again none of this affects me, so again, I don't give a damn. And no matter how hard you try Marf, or anyone else try's, this will all still happen. Its sucks and it's wrong but if you can't change it and I can't change it, why try?
It's not my fight.
That's where you are wholly and utterly wrong. It is not simple. Sexism, such as racism and other forms of discrimination in developed countries are not as overt as as they are in the third world. It is seeping and insidious, it is something you become accustomed to at a young age because of its' subtly. You don't realize how bad it is until you get older and become more socially astute. It is still socially acceptable in developing countries to sexually demean a woman or view her as an object, but it's so heavily ingrained in our societal norm that we don't acknowledge it as a problem.
Are you serious? If a man sends a dick pic to a woman this is somehow viewing her as an object? Okay, fair enough. But if a woman sends a picture of her vagina or tits to a man, then under the same logic, the woman is demeaning the man. But somehow this does not count because of the "all men want is sex" stereotype that many women say and believe. Is this not true? Women discriminate against men by labeling them "sex robots" and yet do you see men bitching about that?
I mean hell I can't approach a woman without her immediate thought being "this dude wants to fuck me"
Now as far as this "insidious subtle discrimination" ya, that's a bit of a stretch. I don't see it as such a MASSIVE problem as you and some other members would like to frame it as. To me it seems like you're using big words to make a problem out of nothing.
I'm a victim of sexual and emotional harassment over 6 years during school, I have female friends who are survivors of sexual assault and domestic rape. I have frequently been cat-called, hit on, honked at in the street for the way I am dressed and approached with inappropriate or sexual intention. I no longer wear alternative fashion which used to be my hobby because it attracted too much unwanted attention. My sister is butch/androgynous and was made to wear dresses and bullied because of her appearance, because she didn't match our school's set idea of of what a girl should look like. She developed anorexia and still lives with severe body image and self-esteem issues. It's more nuanced and complex than "You can't do that because you're a woman", it's about a lack of human dignity and basic respect, which is even more damaging.
Well, let me first say that I can relate to much of this.
But after all that, how does this equate to "women need equal rights to men." To me all of the above seems like individuals bullying you, not every single man. So because you are bullied, and your friends are abused, and your sister picked on, somehow you think that women don't have equal rights to men? To me this seems more like these people were hurt by other people, not men in general.
@Noirceur
Okay. *sigh*. I'm gonna break my usual "dont discuss with other people about their personal opinions" rule, beacuse I cant bring myself to not answer to this. Also, please excuse any grammar mistakes as Im posting from a phone, and please dont take my tone or bluntness as an attack towards you. I just speak like that, and like to use "shit" and its derivatives a lot in my sentences.
Trust me, you didn't make me cry. And I can respect what you say, but nonetheless, I disagree.
Women ARE treated unfairly, not only in America. In fact, women are treated like shit in most countries. Sure, in theory women have the same rights and opportunities as men. In practice? Not really. Did you know that in the entire world, women working full-time for an employer only reach 50% of total women population in two countries? (Sweden and Iceland) Thats right. Two shitting countries. If you think thats fair and equal, you should probably think again.
First off, source. Second, how in the hell is this "Mans fault"??? Have you ever thought that maybe women don't work as much. Most women I know are stay at home moms, they take care of the family and the house while the man is away working. And there is nothing wrong with that.
But maybe you would completely disagree with me. You'd probably say that I'm sexist for saying that. "WOMEN AREN'T HOUSE WIVES THEIR EQUAL TO MEN! WHY CAN'T THEY HABE JOBS!" You'd scream at me. Which is stupid. There is absolutely no shame in staying home and caring for a family, a woman isn't "submissive" to their man if they choose to do so. It is actually a societal norm for the man to bust his ass off and provide for the family while the women take cars of the family.
So maybe that's why they are not working. To me that's a better answer then "men are suppressing women and won't employ them!"
So I'll fire right back at you and say maybe you should think again.
Also, it worries and saddens me that you have such a close-minded, narrow, almost non-existent concern for what goes on outside your country. Are you saying you "could care less" about christians and women being murdered in the middle east? And about hundreds who are executed by drug cartels in Mexico and other central/south american countries? And about the hundreds dead from terrorist attacks in the EU and Asia? I could go on and on.
Let me explain. While I do admit that this shit is bad, I'm not going to lie to you. After all of this bad shit I still wake up in the morning and I'm fine. My family and friends are fine, so I am fine. This is a view and a thought process that is VERY common. Tell me do you spend every waking minute worried about China? Or Korea? Or Iraq and Iran?
No. You lay your head down at night and sleep wonder fully. Hell here in about a month you'll forget about this while damn conversation. Why? It's simple, no body gives a shit.
We have one day a year for international women's day. One day a year for veterans day. One day a year.
No one cares, so why the hell should I?
The simple term of "bitching" is sexist, but Ill roll with it. Do you really thinktheirour "bitching" is completely irrational and unjustified? How many times do you hear a male was raped or forced by his boss to sleep with them to keep their job? Because thats the kind of shit many women have to deal with.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh at this or to scream at you.
The word Bitching is not sexist. I said a slang word, I didn't discriminate against women by saying it. But hell, you can spin that fairy tale whichever way you like. ;)
Now as for the Rape scenario you used. Dude, that's not even fair. Like are you serious? To me if a "boss" rapes a coworker that makes me think that the "boss" is a no good piece of shit. How in any way does this mean all men all over the world are hating on women? We have a sick individual who is raping a women.
And I do not believe for one minute that this happens as often as you'd like me to believe. To me it seems like you are using a scare tactic. But hey I am sure this happens, just not often.
As for your questions, I have seen women being sincerely discriminated against not only in my country, but in many others, yours included. For example, I am the assistant director of a section in my workplace. The director is a woman. I once traveled with her to a convention, and many times I was referred to as the boss and her as my secretary. When we cleared that up, I came SO close to murdering a sexist piece of shit who actually asked her how many dudes did she **** to get where she was. So yeah, I do have first-hand experience with that.
Lol, again you seem to think just because one person is sexist all women in general are discriminated against. Which to me does not seem fair.
Again, it worries me that you use the word "must" as if it were a bad thing that female sports team need to be included. That same "oh, women just need their sports, dont they?" attitude is what discourages many girls from trying out sports, aside from the usual shit they get in the form of stereotypes and sexist comments. AKA "sports are for dudes, go do zumba or some shit".
Allow me to explain. I used the word must to show that it was equal. I didn't mean for it to sound discriminating. So with that cleared up let me say this. I have five foster sisters and each one plays a sport. And not a single one is told "girls suck at sports." Again this may happen, but this is bullying.
And that defeats the whole purpose of the thread. The thread is about International Women's Day. INTERNATIONAL. As in, not only in 'murica. And no, according to the statistics, they dont.
Ya, I don't give a damn what happens all over the world, I explained that earlier. And my offical answer is NO I do not think international woman's day is needed.
And these statistics you so happen to have all the time, why don't you share your source? Prove to me your not pulling this shit out of your ass.
Again, you're going down the same mistake. Yes, according to law, women have the right and opportunity to run for the same political offices as men. It all sounds good in paper, but how many female gobernors/senators/judges/etc. are there vs males?
And again you are making the same mistake. Somehow just because there are more men in political office this means women are discriminated against? How in anyway is that fair? Women can run for office. Women can vote. This is fair. This is equal.
I rest my case on this subject, simply because you are in the wrong on this one.
Its good for you to admit that you dont know. Allow me to enlighten you. According to studies, fresh out of college men and women working in similar fields earn approximately the same, even if men, on average, earn a little more. However, as they grow both physically and proffesionally, their pay usually advances, and over time the gap between them grows. Women's pay rise usually halts at around age 39, by which point they earn approximately $60,000. For men, however, their pay rise halts in average at age 48, and they tipically make about $95,000 by then. That is $35,000 more than women. Im sorry, but that shit is not equal in the slightest.
First off, enlighten me with your sources and statistics. :)
Secondly if I was a women and I found out Joe made more money than me. We both had the same exact job. Did the same exact thing. But Joe made more money than me. I would talk to my employer about that.
I think that beats saying "men are discriminating against me!" But then again somehow, for reasons I do not know, this doesn't happen. Try that solution before you jump to conclusions there. It should work.
If a woman wants to and can take on a military role, she should. And no one should say shit about it. Like someone else in the thread, Im also gonna quote the phrase Karl Marx popularised because I feel it sums up this point perfectly: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
No.
A woman does not belong on a battlefield. Call me sexist for saying so, call me what you like, I don't give a damn. Now please don't think I am saying a women does not belong in the military, by all means women serve your country. But I do not think and will never think that a women belongs in a combat role. I am enlisting in the United States Marine Corps, and I wouldn't like it. I could lay out the facts or my opinions on the matter but I'm just going to sum it up by saying: No.
But if that gets some more heat I will explain my thought process further.
Same. Cheers.So yeah, thats about it. Again, im sorry if you were offended. If you were, I will apologize, but my point stands. Cheers.
@Kiro
Im
EDIT: I accidently posted this but I still need to finish.
@Kiro
I can relate I have five foster sisters and one of them is a Bisexual female. She used to get picked on at school all the time by the same group of people. Both boys and girls, until I beat the shit out of one of the punks who ran his mouth to much.
Just my two cents on that.
and another EDIT:
@BLADE
I couldn't help myself so I'll take a whack at your question.
"The root causes of sexism."
Well if I where a betting man I'd simply say this. Early on in human history, such as ancient times (Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and the such) men and woman had different roles in a society.
Mainly men ran things, military, government and stuff like that. Where as women almost just drifted by, basically second to a man.
Why? I think it may have been because men were superior and valued more in an ancient society. Men fought all the wars, men controlled the government. I mean hell, almost every ancient leader was a man.
I don't know why though. I can't answer the why.....
Maybe it was because men grew to view women as inferior to them. A womans only use was to have children. Hell here is a quote by the famous Napoleon Bonaparte "Women are nothing but machines for making children." This is the mindset of a brilliant man, something he said.
So ya, maybe men simply grew to look down on women over time. They weren't viewed as equals simply because society's have more uses for a man.
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