Timeline Change Date and FL Applications

[Tsunami]

Our FL will need a strong hand to keep the order, that much is certain. Probably a strong spine, and brain, and stomach, and spleen, and everything else for that matter.

Dude, i think whoever will be the FL will do just fine, the Admins will pick the right guy for the job either way. I just want to state my opinion on this matter that i feel oddly strongly about. I think it will also bring forward a lot of ways to progress through PvP by defending said FL. There are lots of positives i'm sure, i'm just trying to wrap my head around it all working in a way i'd just not prepared for.

 

[Spud]

Dude, i think whoever will be the FL will do just fine, the Admins will pick the right guy for the job either way. I just want to state my opinion on this matter that i feel oddly strongly about. I think it will also bring forward a lot of ways to progress through PvP by defending said FL. There are lots of positives i'm sure, i'm just trying to wrap my head around it all working in a way i'd just not prepared for.

I mean ICly, for their character to hold that level of respect with such a variety of potential hazards and command efficiently. OOCly I'm sure whoever's chosen will do perfectly fine.

 

[Tsunami]

I mean ICly, for their character to hold that level of respect with such a variety of potential hazards and command efficiently. OOCly I'm sure whoever's chosen will do perfectly fine.

I have considered the respect factor. I even said that I thought it would be cool if Saul had his SBZ commando guy lead the Sith. ICly, i feel like my character would be like, dude with a gun, leader of the Sith? What did I Miss... I'd also be more than happy if said SBZ member turned around and laid the smack down on me.

 

[Green Ranger]

I'm actually quietly hoping we wind up picking a SBZ FL for the Sith simply because it's a damn interesting dynamic, and it's so different to the established norm on the site. It'd be a great way to kick off the new timeline, what with all the balance changes and whatnot.

 

[Spud]

It would be a very interesting dynamic, and even if we don't start off with one the legitimate possibility for one to rise to the station is a very compelling dynamic on its own.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

I'm actually quietly hoping we wind up picking a SBZ FL for the Sith simply because it's a damn interesting dynamic, and it's so different to the established norm on the site. It'd be a great way to kick off the new timeline, what with all the balance changes and whatnot.

Even though I am not in the Sith I hope so to. It will definitely make things more interesting.

@Tsunami what you said about the SBZ being "disposable" is what many Sith (and the way it just happened to work out) felt about the IAF. Needless to say it didn't work out well and the IAF was pretty much non existent this TL. I for one am glad that this is changing and I hope the SBZ has steady activity. I also hope the BA can keep up steady activity despite the tendency for people to go the Jedi/Sith route.

 

[Sapphire Storm]

Even though I am not in the Sith I hope so to. It will definitely make things more interesting.

@Tsunami what you said about the SBZ being "disposable" is what many Sith (and the way it just happened to work out) felt about the IAF. Needless to say it didn't work out well and the IAF was pretty much non existent this TL. I for one am glad that this is changing and I hope the SBZ has steady activity. I also hope the BA can keep up steady activity despite the tendency for people to go the Jedi/Sith route.

Thankfully the admins have been pretty clear on the SBZ not being disposable and have been trying to push the idea that they're on equal footing with the Sith quite a bit. I hope it takes on and I stop seeing people just assuming members of the SBZ are less than Sith because they're not FS.

 

[Kenico]

Um...Um...UUUUUUUUMMMMM....*Force Screams till he breaks every glass window in the Death Star before bouncing off the walls in joy*

OHHAPPYDAYTHISISTHEGREATESTNEWSI'VEHADALLWEEEEEEKKKKK!!!!

Oh this is going to be freaking awesome and looking forward to seeing the whole transformation!...just one question though...what time will it be...right after midnight on the 21st or later on that day? O_o

 

[+SpaceJesus+]

I considered about applying for it, but then realized it would be kind of foolish to do so when I just got here. I don't think I have integrated enough into the atmosphere here to do so like some of the veteran role players here.

On the conversation about a non-force user as Supreme Leader, I imagine that a Sith would probably be better leading a group that has up until now been set up as revolving around the Dark Side and its powers. Which is why I would be open to it happening. The drama it would ensure would be interesting, and it might actually change how the society they we in functions. The story behind him would have to be very good though. Explanations for where he came from and where he got the power to hold his own against even the greatest with lords would be needed. Maybe he was really sneaky and poisoned, schemes and assassinated his way to power. Maybe he found a source of power not usually found from the force that is in the expanded universe. Like an OP version of Boba Fett, or perhaps an expanded universe "magic" user. Maybe he just had a lot of political and military backing that makes Sith hesitant to attack him out of fear of bloody vengeance from his troops. Either way, the first person who becomes Supreme Leader first, Sith or no, is pretty much signing up to be killed off later on, which is actually the second reason I'm probably not applying.

 

[Sapphire Storm]

@+SpaceJesus+ But that's the thing, isn't it? If we're going off Boli's (that's Green Ranger) description of the Sacred Band of Ziost on the last page, then that leader doesn't need to be anymore exceptional than your regular Sith leader. I think what people keep forgetting or are failing to understand is that regardless of who you are and regardless of whether you're Force sensitive or not, if you're leading the Sith then there are going to be people trying to overthrow you and you are going to need to prove you're stronger than them. It's how their society works and how it has always worked. Survival of the fittest.

What I think people are doing is putting too much stock in the Force. A leader of the SIth isn't a strong leader that holds their position because they can use the Force. They're a strong leader that can hold their position because they're intelligent, devious and probably manipulative. They hold their position through use of their charisma more than anything. Playing your rivals off against each other, foiling attempts of rivals to unseat you and just generally playing the game of intrigue that Sith play has far less to do with the Force and far more to do with intelligence. Yes, that leader needs to be able to back up their holding of leadership with combat prowess if it comes to it, but the wonderful thing about the DotR timeline is FS and non-FS characters are on more of an equal footing than ever.

Assuming someone is weak and not worthy of ruling just because they're not FS is not only narrow-minded, but also a very unwise mindset to have. I can guarantee the mindset that a character is better simply because they're a Force user will get a lot of characters killed.

All of this is, of course, talking OOCly. When it comes to how an individual character might react to being ruled by a non-FS leader, how you feel about the idea as a player shouldn't factor into it. It should be entirely based on your character's personality and the events that unfold as the timeline goes on.

I have to say, reading through this and reading the Sith chat has made me even more excited for the possibility of a non-FS leader of the Sith than I already was. The way simply mentioning that it's a possibility has shaken things up is very promising to me.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Considering what the Sith are actually like and how they led their empire to ruin (and where we all know the Sith end up eventually in canon, for that matter) a Sith is actually the worst person to be leading this entire society. I'm hoping that, as Boli alluded to earlier, that's something the SBZ is keenly aware of.

That's an interesting power dynamic.

 

[MasterTyvokka]

@+SpaceJesus+ But that's the thing, isn't it? If we're going off Boli's (that's Green Ranger) description of the Sacred Band of Ziost on the last page, then that leader doesn't need to be anymore exceptional than your regular Sith leader. I think what people keep forgetting or are failing to understand is that regardless of who you are and regardless of whether you're Force sensitive or not, if you're leading the Sith then there are going to be people trying to overthrow you and you are going to need to prove you're strong than them. It's how their society works and how it has always worked. Survival of the fittest.

What I think people are doing is putting too much stock in the Force. A leader of the SIth isn't a strong leader that holds their position because they can use the Force. They're a strong leader that can hold their position because they're intelligent, devious and probably manipulative. They hold their position through use of their charisma more than anything. Playing your rivals off against each other, foiling attempts of rivals to unseat you and just generally playing the game of intrigue that Sith play has far less to do with the Force and far more to do with intelligence. Yes, that leader needs to be able to back up their holding of leadership with combat prowess if it comes to it, but the wonderful thing about the DotR timeline is FS and non-FS characters are on more of an equal footing than ever.

Assuming someone is weak and not worthy of ruling just because they're not FS is not only narrow-minded, but also a very unwise mindset to have. I can guarantee the mindset that a character is better simply because they're a Force user will get a lot of characters killed.

All of this is, of course, talking OOCly. When it comes to how an individual character might react to being ruled by a non-FS leader, how you feel about the idea as a player shouldn't factor into it. It should be entirely based on your character's personality and the events that unfold as the timeline goes on.

I have to say, reading through this and reading the Sith chat has made me even more excited for the possibility of a non-FS leader of the Sith than I already was. The way simply mentioning that it's a possibility has shaken things up is very promising to me.

I am just going to say this was fantastically said. Excellent post and you hit the nail on the head IMO.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Initiate Cramming for Next Timeline content!

 

[Sapphire Storm]

I am just going to say this was fantastically said. Excellent post and you hit the nail on the head IMO.

Why thank you!

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Dropping this here.

BA hates Senate cause they don't care 'bout us.

BA leaves Republic cause they don't care 'bout us.

Good story or nah?

 

[Sapphire Storm]

Dropping this here.

BA hates Senate cause they don't care 'bout us.

BA leaves Republic cause they don't care 'bout us.

Good story or nah?

Yeeess.... come to the Dark Side. Come be the Sacred Band's fodde- ahem, I mean, come be the Sacred Band's and Sith's highly valued and respected allies against the Senate.

 

[Noctyr]

e-e I want spy rulez.

 

[Rev]

I think where an SBZ could play a monster role for the Sith as a FL or even a high up is that they can hide in plain sight unlike a pure darkside Force user.

Assuming the FLs are willing an SBZ as FL could coordinate with the Jedi or Republic to manipulate the story while having full control over the Sith. The whole "Jedi council feeling a dark cloud" of thr prequels would be non-existent and would allow for some very creative plots to grow and thrive in my opinion.

The idea of a NFS being better than a FS is rubbish. If you can plot and be tactful as a NFS you can set traps that as Ive seen a FS will walk into thinking they're unstoppable, but wind up in the deep end.

 

[Sapphire Storm]

I think where an SBZ could play a monster role for the Sith as a FL or even a high up is that they can hide in plain sight unlike a pure darkside Force user.

Assuming the FLs are willing an SBZ as FL could coordinate with the Jedi or Republic to manipulate the story while having full control over the Sith. The whole "Jedi council feeling a dark cloud" of thr prequels would be non-existent and would allow for some very creative plots to grow and thrive in my opinion.

The idea of a NFS being better than a FS is rubbish. If you can plot and be tactful as a NFS you can set traps that as Ive seen a FS will walk into thinking they're unstoppable, but wind up in the deep end.

I completely agree with this! Except for having NFS and FS the wrong way round in the first sentence of the last paragraph. Sorry, it was bugging me :p.

But yeah, I think the idea of a NFS faction leader is extremely interesting and has loads of story potential.

 

[Jax Vos]

Assuming someone is weak and not worthy of ruling just because they're not FS is not only narrow-minded, but also a very unwise mindset to have. I can guarantee the mindset that a character is better simply because they're a Force user will get a lot of characters killed.

Sith have always assumed that everyone who was not a Sith is weaker than them, especially non-FS people! It's the natural mindset of the Sith. They use the normal people because they need to, they don't look at them as anything more than tools for a greater purpose. That's why I find the idea of a non-FS faction leader to be really, really crazy. Sith are conquerors. They are power hungry. They need to rule. They need to dominate. They need to show that they are the absolute.

But as Brandon said, "Considering what the Sith are actually like and how they led their empire to ruin...a Sith is actually the worst person to be leading this entire society." This is the problem of the Sith. They can never hold power without destroying themselves. But the thing is that they don't want anyone else to hold power over them in any way.