Speak Softly OOC

[christhebetrayer]

This is the last I'll put in here before an admin renders judgement as I'm not about piling it on, but the levels write up is very clear. Harren's not attempting anything that is out of the reach of a level one, nothing in my post requires much exertion it's two very basic moves that are only lethal thanks to the uncoordinated efforts of his two opponents.

Thanks @vamp for providing the projectile speeds, I'm happy that's a thing - but thinking about it there's another issue. If the blaster bolt is moving at 34m/s, for the sake of argument, then that's the speed of projectile harren is dealing with, being stationary. Once it deflects at Zarya, the speed of that projectile relative to her is much quicker because she's moving towards the bolt at force speed. If we, again for the sake of argument, take @christhebarker 's estimation that there's 15 metres between us when he starts his charge, and it takes him "just over a second", he's moving at approximately 13-14m/s. The bolt therefore is coming at Zarya at 47-48m/s, once you factor in her own velocity.

This, coupled with the fact that she'll have gotten closer in that time and is committed to a charging attack with an unattuned lightsaber raised and not in a blocking position, tells me all I need to know about the scenario. I can see why Chris opted to just write that they miss - there's no way he can dodge or block in the situation Zarya's in. Unfortunately, it's point blank blaster fire. Missing isn't really an option considering said deflections are entirely within the capabilities of a level one.

Respectfully to everyone in this thread, because I'm very conscious that negative OOCs get their bonus credits taken away, I'm going to leave my argument there. Nothing but good vibes to everyone here, let's see how the admins rule!

if you want to know why did is because I did the rough math have put it to an image using the rough diagram vamp made

this factor in everything, bolt speed, the delay between trigger pulls and Zarya's movement speed it also implies that Harren would be 100% accurate with his deflections though not leading them since he didn't mention that. each square equal roughly 2 metres

but now it is out of our hands

 

[Loco]

Any time I come into an OOC and see intense discussions and back and forth regarding tiny fractions of a second, I know things are about to go terribly wrong. No good can come of trying to take precise actions in 0.45 seconds. None. If at any time your attack or defense is totally dependent on that tiny fraction and you dont have a backup plan, you should take a step back and reevaluate things. Now that my unsolicited pvp advice is out of the way, on to the ruling...

Ruling: Zarya's attack is successful, killing Harran. However, that simple graze is no slight discomfort- medium weapon bleed through damage can cause serious and painful wounds. Zarya will be in pain and somewhat debilitated during any continued fighting, and needs medical attention in the near-ish future.

While deflecting blaster bolts is easy enough for a level one, very precisely deflecting shots at the edge of your reach and aimed at someone else into another rapidly moving target- all within a fraction of a second- is not. This falls deep into "You're not that good" territory from that last pvp meta announcement. That would be a difficult move even for an experienced master. This should serve as a reminder to everyone not to overestimate yourself and forego contingency plans in favor of assuming a coup de grace.

@Denzein @christhebarker @Faded Truth @Gian Greydragon

 

[Gian Greydragon]

@Loco how will that compound with the light bolt Zarya took to the chest a few post rounds ago?

 

[Loco]

@Loco how will that compound with the light bolt Zarya took to the chest a few post rounds ago?

Light bolts don't have significant bleed through, and damage to different areas doesn't really compound.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Thank you. @Loco

 

[Denzein]

Any time I come into an OOC and see intense discussions and back and forth regarding tiny fractions of a second, I know things are about to go terribly wrong. No good can come of trying to take precise actions in 0.45 seconds. None. If at any time your attack or defense is totally dependent on that tiny fraction and you dont have a backup plan, you should take a step back and reevaluate things. Now that my unsolicited pvp advice is out of the way, on to the ruling...

Ruling: Zarya's attack is successful, killing Harran. However, that simple graze is no slight discomfort- medium weapon bleed through damage can cause serious and painful wounds. Zarya will be in pain and somewhat debilitated during any continued fighting, and needs medical attention in the near-ish future.

While deflecting blaster bolts is easy enough for a level one, very precisely deflecting shots at the edge of your reach and aimed at someone else into another rapidly moving target- all within a fraction of a second- is not. This falls deep into "You're not that good" territory from that last pvp meta announcement. That would be a difficult move even for an experienced master. This should serve as a reminder to everyone not to overestimate yourself and forego contingency plans in favor of assuming a coup de grace.

@Denzein @christhebarker @Faded Truth @Gian Greydragon

Fair enough - GG all!

 

[Faded]

@christhebarker

There are several issues with your defense.

1. You cannot simply call upon some hidden powers to give you strength in a moment of need. Unfortunately, this is not a cinematic PvP thread, there are no external sources available at your aid. Your limitations to mount a defense are based on your character's current condition and the situation in play.

2. While force barrier is a viable defense, your barrier is not strong enough to ward off against Arianna's force fire considering she is a level stronger as well as Zarya is debilitated and in pain. The attack was timed to completion of Zarya's slash on Harren, so frankly, there is not enough time for her to prepare a force defense unless she utilizes a reflective power in which case that would be even more taxing.

3. You're not taking any damage and your warding off an attack with an ability that would likely cause force exhaustion; afterwards, you are merely grabbing a second saber and preparing as if nothing happened.

Unfortunately, this defense is not acceptable for the aforementioned reasons. I think Zarya should be susceptible to moderate burn damage as well as be in a severely debilitated/force exhaustion stage after using force barrier and telekinesis to divert the flames.

@vamp @Gian Greydragon @Denzein

 

[Gian Greydragon]

@vamp

I think there's a bit of confusion on my defense in your post. I did block with my primary blade on the right, but I crossed over to my left with it, and parried in a counter clockwise turn, while thrusting the second saber into your abdomen. So your attempted parry isn't exactly viable, as I'm already parrying your strike with a completely different weapon.

 

[vamp]

@vamp

I think there's a bit of confusion on my defense in your post. I did block with my primary blade on the right, but I crossed over to my left with it, and parried in a counter clockwise turn, while thrusting the second saber into your abdomen. So your attempted parry isn't exactly viable, as I'm already parrying your strike with a completely different weapon.

So you're jabbing with your left hand and doing it under your right hand?

 

[Gian Greydragon]

I'm parrying your blade with my right-handed blade on my left side, and after which, thrusting with his second weapon, yes.

 

[vamp]

I'm parrying your blade with my right-handed blade on my left side, and after which, thrusting with his second weapon, yes.

My slash is going from my left to my right though.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Your left is my right.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

So either way, whether I had to cross blades, or not, and parry, you're still going to get parried with a meter long blade, and then have another thrust toward your stomach, whilst my blade pushes yours back to your left, out of the way of my secondary weapon.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Its been brought to my attention, that I'm getting mixed up. I'm parrying with my left handed weapon, then stabbing with my right. I've managed to confuse myself. My apologies.

 

[vamp]

Its been brought to my attention, that I'm getting mixed up. I'm parrying with my left handed weapon, then stabbing with my right. I've managed to confuse myself. My apologies.

that's what I was thinking was the case and I was slowly getting more and more confused LOL

so, all good?

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Not completely, I'm still not seeing how you're going to try and parry my attack with one hand, as a smaller human, with less leverage, and also go after your pistol. Even if we were at even strength, this would all be difficult to do in such confined quarters. I know you're trying to knock my blades into each other, but you'd have to over power my parry with one of your own, and I don't see that happening against a Barabel, who's basically as strong as a large Trandoshan. On top of all that, you're charging at me with Force Speed, so that momentum is still carrying you forward, even if I've parried your blade away.

 

[vamp]

Not completely, I'm still not seeing how you're going to try and parry my attack with one hand, as a smaller human, with less leverage, and also go after your pistol. Even if we were at even strength, this would all be difficult to do in such confined quarters. I know you're trying to knock my blades into each other, but you'd have to over power my parry with one of your own, and I don't see that happening against a Barabel, who's basically as strong as a large Trandoshan. On top of all that, you're charging at me with Force Speed, so that momentum is still carrying you forward, even if I've parried your blade away.

Exactly. I'm using that momentum to put my weight into a push that takes not even 2 seconds. I doubt Niishi is expecting for Wes to parry away his jab first, and even if he was, Wes is pushing his weight into it.

Hell, he's just flicking his wrist and applying a little pressure to keep Niishi busy. The blades locking isn't a long term thing, like I said--it takes less than two seconds and is just a distraction. The blaster shots happen at the same time, so it's likely in his mind that Niishi won't even be conscious for long enough to put up a fight

 

[Faded]

@christhebarker

I need you to respond so we can keep this PvP and thread moving. I can't make a response until you've addressed my concerns.

 

[Gian Greydragon]

How are you parrying the thrust first if you've already made contact with the other blade, as I'm actively defending against your slash, by parrying, which by definition is making contact, and using already established momentum to rotate the blade away from your body? I didn't smack your weapon to the side, I'm guiding it out of the way, essentially locking blades, and opening you up for a thrust to your exposed flank. There's no way out of that short of disengaging your blade and disarming yourself.

Since you attacked me on my right side, I crossed with my left-handed weapon, to parry in a counter-clockwise motion, which would move the blade your saber up and back to my left - your right - opening up your flank for the thrust. You're literally trying to alter the direction of a strike and turn it into a parry, which is one; difficult to do with one hand, at level one, on top of trying it against a physically larger and stronger opponent, two, even more difficult while trying to finagle a pistol out of it's holster, much less at level one. I'll also add that the meter long blade of my primary weapon would realistically make contact long before you can draw your pistol and fire.

@vamp

 

[vamp]

How are you parrying the thrust first if you've already made contact with the other blade, as I'm actively defending against your slash, by parrying, which by definition is making contact, and using already established momentum to rotate the blade away from your body? I didn't smack your weapon to the side, I'm guiding it out of the way, essentially locking blades, and opening you up for a thrust to your exposed flank. There's no way out of that short of disengaging your blade and disarming yourself.

Since you attacked me on my right side, I crossed with my left-handed weapon, to parry in a counter-clockwise motion, which would move the blade your saber up and back to my left - your right - opening up your flank for the thrust. You're literally trying to alter the direction of a strike and turn it into a parry, which is one; difficult to do with one hand, at level one, on top of trying it against a physically larger and stronger opponent, two, even more difficult while trying to finagle a pistol out of it's holster, much less at level one. I'll also add that the meter long blade of my primary weapon would realistically make contact long before you can draw your pistol and fire.

@vamp

Essentially, I'm just choosing to parry your jab instead of your block, which are both on the same side. The blades locking would literally happen for a minuscule amount of time, so it's not like we're engaging in a battle of wits and strength. My saber is parrying your blows in one fluid motion, and I'm using my free hand to do something that's muscle memory for any trained soldier.