Lamia Kressh

[Phil]

Bugger, do you not understand what a pure darkside being is? There is no light influence where they are, and even if one was a lightsider, they would be killed or turned back to the darkside by the strong darkside aura that only gets stronger because of the Sith. The Sith cannot become a lightsider with no outside influence. Now if we were to brainwash one with SUPER mind tricking like we did revan, we could maybe go somewhere with this, but even then the character would still ooze with darkside orgy.

Way to completly disregard what I last said. More powa to you and Horrizon!

 

[Horizon]

Way to completly disregard what I last said. More powa to you and Horrizon!

I c wat u did thar.

 

[Mars]

Horizon's posts in this thread are clearly a result of the quote in my sig. Super-horizon is a dick.

 

[Neo Shark]

The problem seems to be with the fact that this character is a Sith PUREBLOOD, and Sith have a natural affinity to the darkside. Would instead of having it be a Sith PUREBLOOD how bout you change it to a Sith/hybrid? It'll still have that affinity to the darkside but it won't be as strong, maybe?

 

[Fusion]

Wow... I go to sleep, and there's a huge argument over the character...

The problem seems to be with the fact that this character is a Sith PUREBLOOD, and Sith have a natural affinity to the darkside. Would instead of having it be a Sith PUREBLOOD how bout you change it to a Sith/hybrid? It'll still have that affinity to the darkside but it won't be as strong, maybe?

Technically speaking, the Sith Purebloods are actually hybrids. They're just ones that show primarily Sith physical characteristics. There is no 100% pure, FDA approved Sith anywhere in the galaxy so far as I know.

 

[Neo Shark]

Wow... I go to sleep, and there's a huge argument over the character...



Technically speaking, the Sith Purebloods are actually hybrids. They're just ones that show primarily Sith physical characteristics. There is no 100% pure, FDA approved Sith anywhere in the galaxy so far as I know.

*facepalm
You know what, nvm, I don't want to care anymore.:CDumb

 

[Jake]

You guys have been handling this so poorly it's physically painful to read.

Horizon, lrn2troll. In every thread your posts turn into non-sequitur memespeak like 'not sure if srs' and 'u mad bro?'. You've also never visited 4chan in your short hipsteriffic life so you're not even being a /b/tard properly. ;[

Phil, it's noble of you to want to train this character, but Fusion is obviously newer to this site and it's made all the clearer by the other incongruities keeping this profile from being accepted by the community. Also, the mental image of Piccolo training her is epic and hilarious, but I don't think it would work out. I can totally see the two of them becoming the Jedi Order's loner master/apprentice duo because of how they'd both be ostracized for their uncommon species... but that could go either way, in terms of reasons for him training her and reasons for him not being allowed to train her.

Alright, on to the profile itself.

First off, the name. I'm fairly certain we don't allow characters to be related to canon characters, except in the cases of Chiss houses and Mandalorian clans. Her being a direct descendant of Ludo Kressh on top of being a member of a species commonly thought of as extinct is... probably borderline impossible.

Calling her a Sith Pureblood is very misleading, as well. The name originally cropped up around the resurgent Sith Empire's emergence, probably as a way of easily distinguishing the Sith from their other castes, namely the priests and slaves (Kissai and Massassi). Both of those races are basically extinct, except for one canon Massassi that left to Ziost, and after that nothing more was heard of him.

After thousands of years and dozens or hundreds of generations, the gene pool on the space station where Lamia was raised and born would be extremely diluted. A lot of royal families practiced incest like that, as a way of keeping their blood pure, so in that respect the name does fit but has a completely different meaning from the one intended in canon.

Also, using the name 'Lamia' was very subtle, if you were aware of its connotations when you decided on it. Nice job.

The stats themselves are slightly askew as well. She has no real weaknesses there except charisma (which is the most abused dump stat in any stat-based RPG ever) and knowledge. Strength and dexterity aren't naturally boosted by the Force to any massive extent (a trained warrior would easily be the equal to a Force user with no training in both areas), so listing such was unnecessary.

Her constitution should probably be closer to 'abysmal' than 'excellent.' Logically she would be the product of many generations of incest, which will eventually create a lot of problems for the offspring. Deformity is a step too far, in most cases, but a weakened immune system is very probable, not to mention the impact it would have on her mental faculties.

I'll leave the other stuff there alone. I think I've made my point.

I'm glad you listened to Trellheim and a few others and took away the Force powers that she wouldn't know without training, not to mention the kaiburr and qixoni crystals. Frankly, the profile itself is very self-contradicting, and it seems like she's perfectly set up to fall to the dark side (from her heritage to her personality to her lightsaber form being the darkest of the seven). Considering that the Jedi Council would without a doubt be extremely wary of letting an actual Sith into the Jedi (I can't stress that enough), the amount of psychological exams she'd be put through would doubtlessly determine all of this.

I mean... the fact you didn't have her build her lightsaber in-character is annoying. This profile discards a lot of character development that could have brought her into the Jedi: RPing a meeting with an actual Jedi Knight, little stuff like the lightsaber, generally fleshing out her personality to show why the Jedi would even consider training her, etc. I mean, she's carrying an ancient sith holocron... that's reason enough to incarcerate her and put her through intense interrogation to try and find out where she got it, how, and why.

Moving on (maybe you've noticed I'm critiquing the profile in order, from the name down to the history), the fact she has a "warrior's personality" only reaffirms what I've mentioned. I won't comment on the history, since I've already mentioned how much incest would be involved to survive on an isolated space station for thousands of years (how did they manage it, anyway? A big, self-sufficient space station would have been found by the Chiss, and a small one would have run out of supplies centuries if not millennia ago).

For the profile's myriad problems, it has the potential to be an interesting character, but only if you start from the ground up. Nothing else really makes sense, because I don't think she's getting into the Jedi in her current state. It's good you made a Sith true to her species' background, but it also makes it seem like you want her a Jedi just to be different, without any real explanation whatsoever.

That's my two cents. Take from it what you will. :P

 

[Fusion]

First off, the name. I'm fairly certain we don't allow characters to be related to canon characters, except in the cases of Chiss houses and Mandalorian clans. Her being a direct descendant of Ludo Kressh on top of being a member of a species commonly thought of as extinct is... probably borderline impossible.

She's as related to Ludo Kressh as Exal Kressh was, which, so far as I know, is not at all.

Calling her a Sith Pureblood is very misleading, as well. The name originally cropped up around the resurgent Sith Empire's emergence, probably as a way of easily distinguishing the Sith from their other castes, namely the priests and slaves (Kissai and Massassi). Both of those races are basically extinct, except for one canon Massassi that left to Ziost, and after that nothing more was heard of him.

Odd. From what I can remember, the Sith Pureblood were the hybrid descendents that had enough Sith genetic code and physical features to appear similar to the Sith species prior to hybridization.

After thousands of years and dozens or hundreds of generations, the gene pool on the space station where Lamia was raised and born would be extremely diluted. A lot of royal families practiced incest like that, as a way of keeping their blood pure, so in that respect the name does fit but has a completely different meaning from the one intended in canon.

I would've elaborated more about the Sith that were on the station in the bio, but I didn't feel it was necessary. Meh, I'm going to say the Purebloods(the mainly Sith hybrids) interbred with other Purebloods as to bring out the majority of Sith characteristics, with them being... distrustful.. of the other, more human hybrids.

Also, using the name 'Lamia' was very subtle, if you were aware of its connotations when you decided on it. Nice job.

Jewish history FTW.

The stats themselves are slightly askew as well. She has no real weaknesses there except charisma (which is the most abused dump stat in any stat-based RPG ever) and knowledge. Strength and dexterity aren't naturally boosted by the Force to any massive extent (a trained warrior would easily be the equal to a Force user with no training in both areas), so listing such was unnecessary.

I toned it down.

Her constitution should probably be closer to 'abysmal' than 'excellent.' Logically she would be the product of many generations of incest, which will eventually create a lot of problems for the offspring. Deformity is a step too far, in most cases, but a weakened immune system is very probable, not to mention the impact it would have on her mental faculties.

Read the above.

I'm glad you listened to Trellheim and a few others and took away the Force powers that she wouldn't know without training, not to mention the Kaiburr and Quixoni crystals. Frankly, the profile itself is very self-contradicting, and it seems like she's perfectly set up to fall to the dark side (from her heritage to her personality to her lightsaber form being the darkest of the seven). Considering that the Jedi Council would without a doubt be extremely wary of letting an actual Sith into the Jedi (I can't stress that enough), the amount of psychological exams she'd be put through would doubtlessly determine all of this.

Meh, but that's to be expected.

I mean... the fact you didn't have her build her lightsaber in-character is annoying. This profile discards a lot of character development that could have brought her into the Jedi: RPing a meeting with an actual Jedi Knight, little stuff like the lightsaber, generally fleshing out her personality to show why the Jedi would even consider training her, etc. I mean, she's carrying an ancient sith holocron... that's reason enough to incarcerate her and put her through intense interrogation to try and find out where she got it, how, and why.

The lightsaber's an antique, and as for the RPing... Well, I highly doubt I can do anything with her at the moment due to the controversy around the character. As for the Sith Holocron... Do I have to spoil what's in it? I will say it's full of relatively meaningless information, even to the Jedi.

Moving on (maybe you've noticed I'm critiquing the profile in order, from the name down to the history), the fact she has a "warrior's personality" only reaffirms what I've mentioned. I won't comment on the history, since I've already mentioned how much incest would be involved to survive on an isolated space station for thousands of years (how did they manage it, anyway? A big, self-sufficient space station would have been found by the Chiss, and a small one would have run out of supplies centuries if not millennia ago).

Having been isolated on the station, and having no contact with the actual Sith Empire, they traded(over the time they were stuck on the station) artifacts for supplies from pirates and mercenaries. It was the recent pirate group they had been working with that had destroyed the station.

For the profile's myriad problems, it has the potential to be an interesting character, but only if you start from the ground up. Nothing else really makes sense, because I don't think she's getting into the Jedi in her current state. It's good you made a Sith true to her species' background, but it also makes it seem like you want her a Jedi just to be different, without any real explanation whatsoever.

I'll need a bit of time to come up with one. Going to Colorado for a couple days, so yeah.

It's just a bit difficult answering all these questions. They're answerable, but the volume is overwhelming. Good so see I have some guys like Phil to help.

 

[Ser Gregor]

This is being discussed by the admins, as it's very clearly a contentious topic.

 

[Jake]

She's as related to Ludo Kressh as Exal Kressh was, which, so far as I know, is not at all.

There's no determined relation, but Ludo Kressh had a son. If they aren't related then why give her the name? It generates pointless confusion. Also, the talk page for Exal's wiki article shows that there are theories circulating, and there's no trend for Sith having clans (like the Mandalorians) so there is clearly some meaning to her surname.

Regardless I don't think it matters. It's like if I made a character and its last name was Solo or Skywalker, but there was no relation to Han or Luke. I would need to change it anyway to avoid confusion.

Odd. From what I can remember, the Sith Pureblood were the hybrid descendents that had enough Sith genetic code and physical features to appear similar to the Sith species prior to hybridization.

You're right, but... does it matter? Dozens of generations if inbreeding isn't really "pure" blood, and going by her picture she has pretty minimal Sith features - red skin pigmentation and the cheek tendrils/eyebrow protrusions, which Naga Sadow had and he was specifically mentioned to possess minimal Sith blood.

The distinction is unnecessary, which is what I was commenting on. Whether or not you get rid of it is obviously up to you because it isn't inherently wrong.

I would've elaborated more about the Sith that were on the station in the bio, but I didn't feel it was necessary. Meh, I'm going to say the Purebloods(the mainly Sith hybrids) interbred with other Purebloods as to bring out the majority of Sith characteristics, with them being... distrustful.. of the other, more human hybrids.

Over thousands of years those characteristics would become more and more diminished, but ok.

Meh, but that's to be expected.

I don't usually expect profiles to contradict themselves, but maybe I'm the odd one out here.

The lightsaber's an antique, and as for the RPing... Well, I highly doubt I can do anything with her at the moment due to the controversy around the character. As for the Sith Holocron... Do I have to spoil what's in it? I will say it's full of relatively meaningless information, even to the Jedi.

None of that has anything to do with what I said. What is the point in having the lightsaber if it's just an antique that's gone through some modifications? To give her an edge over the other Padawans (which is what I assume the crystals were for as well) until they make their own? And it doesn't matter what the Sith holocron has in it. The fact it's a Sith holocron is reason enough.

Having been isolated on the station, and having no contact with the actual Sith Empire, they traded(over the time they were stuck on the station) artifacts for supplies from pirates and mercenaries. It was the recent pirate group they had been working with that had destroyed the station.

Ok, that explanation doesn't really make sense (they had enough artifacts to trade them for thousands of years to feed an entire station of people?), but it's better than a total lack of one.

I'll need a bit of time to come up with one. Going to Colorado for a couple days, so yeah.

It's just a bit difficult answering all these questions. They're answerable, but the volume is overwhelming. Good so see I have some guys like Phil to help.

You probably shouldn't have made a Sith character if you didn't expect it to be scrutinized and picked apart. :P If you've noticed, no one else has made one. I couldn't tell you for sure why that is (I thought they were disallowed on principal, myself), but it probably has something to do with the fact that they pretty much have set roles in SW canon. They embody the dark side, hence why you're only going to get more overanalyzation for making a Jedi Sith, of all things.

 

[Dread]

When I saw sith were allowed, I KNEW that people would jump up to abuse them or make the most ridiculous characters.

Had to get that out of my system.

 

[Horizon]

They could be introduced in a relatively feasible way, but this wouldn't be the correct way to do it. Most ways I think of seeing one come back is perhaps one manages to find its way back to the Sith Empire lead by Malon. He wouldn't do anything crazy in terms of trying to take over or something like that. Probably would be more inclined to follow in a zealot fashion.

 

[Matt]

This is being discussed by the admins, as it's very clearly a contentious topic.

This also means stop going on in this thread till we make a decision.

 

[Fusion]

Tell me I'm not going to get banninated for coming up with something like this...

 

[Jake]

You'd never get banned, they'd just tell you that you can't use this character.

 

[Fusion]

Well, that's at least a partial relief...

 

[Xyrael]

Tell me I'm not going to get banninated for coming up with something like this...

There's only a few ways you can get banned. And you definitely don't qualify for anything of the sort. (No malicious ads, no pornographic pictures, etc.) You've just struck a chord with people's taboo's, and you're getting the reaction from that. Hopefully I haven't offended you during the course of it, I imagine you may have been expecting reactions of the sort similar to the ones you received whilst devising the character anyways. Hopefully there is a ruling on the matter. That said, if you are persistent about wanting to be an inherently savage creature struggling with their inner dark side... Stenax are pretty devilish.

 

[Horizon]

There's only a few ways you can get banned. And you definitely don't qualify for anything of the sort. (No malicious ads, no pornographic pictures, etc.) You've just struck a chord with people's taboo's, and you're getting the reaction from that. Hopefully I haven't offended you during the course of it, I imagine you may have been expecting reactions of the sort similar to the ones you received whilst devising the character anyways. Hopefully there is a ruling on the matter. That said, if you are persistent about wanting to be an inherently savage creature struggling with their inner dark side... Stenax are pretty devilish.

I'm safe!

 

[Xyrael]

Oh god just look and that white fluid ooze from her mouth.

 

[Deloi]

Okay, that is really sick. Friggin get rid of it. I'm going to be sick.